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Another doping scandal is unfolding in Europe...(16 posts)

Another doping scandal is unfolding in Europe...Cima Coppi
Feb 28, 2002 6:10 AM
Cycling News is reporting this morning that Frank Vandenbroucke has been turned in by his doctor for using banned substances, including EPO. Check this out if you are interested:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2002/feb02/feb28news2.php

This should be interesting, especially since Domo may have immediate involvement.

RUN Virenque, RUN!!!

CC
re: Another doping scandal is unfolding in Europe...Wayne
Feb 28, 2002 6:19 AM
That guy is hardly a doctor, he's a former horse trainer, and all around medical quack by most accounts. He claimed that he used "homeopathic" medicine to help riders and a number (including VdB) swear/swore by him. He got into a bunch a trouble a few years ago also along with VdB. I think we now see what his medicine really was, a shame VdB got taken down by this guy trying to save his own skin. The whole Domo team is probably pretty lucky this guy didn't name all of them and give the cops an excuse to search their house. Does anyone really believe VdB is the only one doing this stuff?
Just what Lefevre needs from VDB.Sintesi
Feb 28, 2002 6:23 AM
Why he let this pain-the-ass cycling diva back into his organization I'll never know.

Bernard Sainz! Dr. Mabuse? This guy nearly ruined VDB a few years ago with the doping allegations and lo and behold still here! The stupididty is just breathtaking. Looks like Sainz was saying some of the drugs were for team Domo not just VDB. God knows what these two are going to say now that they are seriously in trouble. This could get ugly.
Yeah,Wayne
Feb 28, 2002 10:12 AM
who knows what they'll say? They might even start telling the truth which is probably the last thing cycling needs right now. I just think it's so funny when these guys like Lefevre or Ferretti, who have been in the business forever, act like they have no idea what's going on and that this doping thing is sooo awful and how could any rider do it?
But I guess when you sign on you know the rules :
Do what it takes to win but don't get caught and if you do we're going to throw you to the wolves.
And if you get bitter about it and start spilling your guts we'll just claim that you're making it all up to get back at us for firing you.
The directors are the most protected as long as their sponsors don't pull out.
Speaking of dopers.. (not proven though)longfellow68
Feb 28, 2002 8:26 AM
I just checked out Pantani's site, what for I don't really know.
www.pantani.it But its kinda hilarious. Only thing they really show are pics of the team sleeping or how Marco shaves his head. And the site is called: 18+1, of course he being the +1.
He looks like Ghandi or something.
that is cool!Spirito di Finocchio
Feb 28, 2002 9:52 AM
seems like a fabulous boys night out pre-party pics

hee hee
How little Marco starts his day.Sintesi
Feb 28, 2002 10:41 AM
How do they choose these pictures anyway? You'd think the tifosi would demand to see shots of training and racing. Nope Marco in the bathroom shaving his head. Is this a cultural gap? Am I missing something here? Maybe we could have Mario washing his feet and Michele combing his hair. Young Danilo Hondo taking a cr@p reading a newspaper?
Proven but overturned on a technicality.McAndrus
Feb 28, 2002 10:48 AM
I checked out the site. Talk about a cult of personality!
Uh, they were really for my dog.....gregario
Feb 28, 2002 11:06 AM
According to a Reuters news story, VDB claims that the drugs were for his dog. This is getting beyond the point of disgusting that it is now amusing. I have no sympathy for guys caught with drugs. VDB was fired.
About the dog...mr_spin
Feb 28, 2002 11:36 AM
The dog started hitting the EPO when he could no longer chase down cars and riders going past the house. After putting up with insults for too long, he started a complete doping program. Now the local cats are hitting the juice. It's a sad situation.
that is absolutelygrandemamou
Feb 28, 2002 12:34 PM
hilarious. I just hope that Rotweiler at the end of the road doesen't here about this or I'm dead meat.

It will be interesting to see the out come of last years Giro raid. My personal feelings are that at least 80% of the peleton uses "performance enhancing" drugs. The other 20% are pack fodder so why bother. Some drugs used are illegal and some so new they aren't illegal "yet". I have no special contact with the pro scene but I do have common sense. The only rider to openly discuss drugs (Bassons) was quickly drummed out of cycling. If you feel your personal favorite is completely innocent, by all means continue to think so. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

The only thing that upsets me is that alot of people think it's only a problem in cycling. It is everywhere football,baseball, T&F, Tennis etc. The only difference is that cycling choses to not look the other way.
Why no raids on the footballersMcAndrus
Feb 28, 2002 1:02 PM
The drug scandals were launched by police action: the '98 Tour and the '01 Giro. I think it's to the UCIs and TdF's credit that they are working on this - although I do agree they'd rather it never became an issue at all.

If it's true that Euro football and other sports are also awash in performance enhancers (Papa's little helpers), then why aren't we seeing raids on major soccer clubs and other teams?

Any insights, anyone?
wronghinaults dog
Mar 1, 2002 1:55 AM
davids- juventus
staam-lazio
both dutch players in italian squadra
cycling and cross country skiingmr_spin
Feb 28, 2002 1:58 PM
Only two sports are really serious about drug testing, and that's one reason why these sports have so many doping "scandals." I don't believe most of the peloton is on performance enhancing drugs, but some of it certainly is as is proven every season. I also believe that the problem exists at the same or a greater level in many other sports that don't bother to do testing because they don't want to know. By the way, Bassons was drummed out of cycling because he was such an incredible jerk. If he had had any sense of decorum, he would have become a spokesman for the anti-doping effort. As it was, they didn't even want him around.
I agree that Bassons was a jerkgrandemamou
Feb 28, 2002 4:24 PM
but then so is VDB, Pantani and many others and they are still around for now at least. What made him an intolerable jerk was the fact that he talked willingly about drugs any where and every where. A big No No. It's impossible to become a spokesman when no one is "allowed" to discuss it.
My last word...mr_spin
Mar 1, 2002 7:44 AM
I swore I would never get involved with a doping thread again, but I broke that rule already.

My opinion is that anyone using banned substances should be banned from the sport. Period. No second chances.

Next, the thing with Bassons that pissed everyone off was his "holier than thou" attitiude coupled with the classic accusatory logic that many people like to use when humans go beyond their conceptual limits:

He must be on dope. He has to be on dope.

These kind of idiotic statements have no place in any arena, sports or otherwise. If all you have is a feeling, that's not enough. People get hurt, careers get destroyed, lawyers and publicists get paid, all because of someone's wild accusations. If you have evidence about someone, let's hear it. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut.

Bassons hasn't become a spokesman for the anti-doping effort (save a muckraker or two) because they don't even like the way he operates. Credibility matters a great deal, and he doesn't have it.