|What's the best new bike for $2000?||sntacruzSL|
Feb 26, 2002 7:26 PM
|Buck for buck, what's the best new bike out there for $2000?
|I like the new Trek 2300....||Allen az|
Feb 26, 2002 7:44 PM
|-ZR9000 Frame, 2.71 lbs.
-Bontrager Race stem, bar, & seatpost
-Selle San Marco Era saddle
-ICON OCLV Carbon Air Rail fork (1-1/8")
-Bontrager Race Lite wheelset
18.1 lbs. according to Bicycling's "Bike Finder"
I'm actually thinking about getting one.
|I like the new Trek 2300....||BikingViking|
Feb 28, 2002 8:33 AM
|I have REALLY been giving the eyeball to this bike as well...it seems like a good bargain.|
|re: What's the best new bike for $2000?||Sub|
Feb 26, 2002 8:49 PM
|I know where to get a brand new Jamis Eclipse for 1800 in any size, great bang for the buck. Check out their site. I almost purchased one, but at the last minute found a zurich frame really cheap and can build up with similar components for 200 less. if you would like to know where to find it for $1800, email me at DrShue@yahoo.com
|Is this an ad or what?||jtolleson|
Feb 27, 2002 4:48 AM
|Email you? What?|
|Get DuraAce at that price! best deals at $2000||george|
Feb 27, 2002 3:39 AM
|the best deals at that price are clearly Motobecane le Champion Team, Mercier Corvus, KHS Flite 800 -- Moto is 2.7 lb Aluminum frame, Mercier & KHS are Reynolds 853 -- all three are DuraAce and you can buy any of them at well ubder $2000. No Ultegra bike can touch these deals -- just my opinion.|
|Check out GVH||DrD|
Feb 27, 2002 4:50 AM
|He's got Landshark's for $1995 with full Ultegra, plus a bunch of various other steel/aluminum bikes for well under $2k with full Ultegra. |
|WHY? how is Ultegra better than DuraAce?||susan|
Feb 27, 2002 5:07 AM
|why would someone pay more for an Ultegra bike than a DuraAce one? I have an old KHS road bike with steel frame and its super quality and great ride. So if a new one of those or Mercier with reynolds 853 and DuraAce is under $2000 - how can that not be better than a steel frame with Ultegra. PS - dont tell me stuff made in asia or france is no good! especially if you drive a Honda and watch a sony. LOL|
|Depends what the Dura Ace group is on...||cyclaholic|
Feb 27, 2002 6:11 AM
|There are clearly some bikes that will offer better quality equipped with an Ultegra group than many bikes would even if equipped with Dura Ace.
Don't be confused into thinking that all French bicycle manufacturers still make their frames in France.
Feb 27, 2002 9:23 AM
|I'd rather ride Ultegra on a great frame/fork/wheel set than DA on a lesser frame/fork/wheel set.|
|Depends what the Dura Ace group is on... - sour?||jackbike|
Feb 27, 2002 11:48 AM
|some people hate it when others get better deals than they ride ~ but if you've overpaid just suck it in and live with it|
Feb 27, 2002 3:01 PM
|I guess I'm just that way--sour, petty, jealous, etc.
Look, I think folks are making a pretty straightforward point here. And that is, as nice as it is to have top-of-the-line components, how a bike rides and handles is--supposing it fits properly--determined almost entirely by the frame, fork, wheels, and tires, and only very, very slightly by, e.g., brakes, changers, etc. If you've spent any time at all on bikes you MUST know that.
My pride and joy road bike is Record equipped, if I may take myself out of your armchair psychoanalysis of total strangers who are supposedly warped by having paid too much for Ultegra. FWIW, I paid less for the record kit in Europe than I would have paid for either a D/A or an Ultegra kit at my LBS--seems to me that's besides the point. I've owned and ridden Shimano gear before, and while I think everyone recognizes that DA is a bit nicer, and a bit lighter (for most of the parts) than Ultegra, this is not an all-things-equal issue. Frame, fork, wheels, and tires appear to be different. I've not ridden any recent (last 15 years) Motobecanes, so I'm not about to criticize how those Asian-built frames ride, buit-up one way or another (nor how the French MBK frames ride). But the notion that Dura Ace on any old frame automatically makes for a better over-all bike than Ultegra on anything else one can imagine is such an obvious crock that I find myself, at this point, amazed I've bothered to respond. Go figure.
|sour? Always... -- should try before you comment - correct?||susan|
Feb 27, 2002 4:14 PM
|good point; if you can get record in europe and pay less than Ultegra - WHY NOT? but commenting on how any frame rides without riding it is crazy. I have had people tell me my Taiwan made KHS could not ride good. But hey they never tied it. What makes me crazy is that some people think that because a bike, car, whatever is made here or there it is AUTOMATICALLY better. what crap. A good frame builder can live in England, Taiwan, Canada, or Italy -- but from my experience people who critize Asia quality control are really trying to say something else (something they are too ashamed to say outloud)|
|sour? Always... -- should try before you comment - correct?||weiwentg|
Feb 27, 2002 5:26 PM
|>>but from my experience people who critize Asia quality control are really trying to say something else (something they are too ashamed to say outloud)<<
was beginning to suspect that myself... hope I'm wrong.
my Giant is made in Taiwan. she rides like a dream. my Allez before that was also made in Taiwan. she didn't ride like a dream, but she was still a good ride. and Airbornes are made in China, and by all accounts they're excellent bikes.
don't look down on Asian-made equipment. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of your computer equipment is manufactured in Asia.
|should try before you comment - correct?||djg|
Feb 27, 2002 8:10 PM
|Correct enough. As I said, I cannot comment on the quality of the Motobecane frame. And I certainly did not mean for "Asian made" to be a euphamism for generically inferior. Asia is a big and heterogeneous place; and it's responsible for the manufacture of far more sophisticated objects than bicycles. People have all sorts of screwy prejudices about bikes--and not just about bikes. My original point was simply that, it seems nuts to assume that one bike--different frame, fork, wheels--is necessarily (or even likely) better than another simply because it has a better basic parts group. All things equal, it's better. All things not equal, who knows? Personally, I think that the reviews in Bicycling Magazine are fairly poor and that they've been getting worse rather than better. Looking at the telegraphic "reviews" in the new Buyer's Guide, I cannot tell whether they've ridden or even seen all the bikes represented. Maybe the Motobecane is a good value. Maybe it's a great value. I cannot tell from the specs I've seen alone.|
|WHY? maybe to give some choice?||DrD|
Feb 27, 2002 6:53 PM
|Perhaps they won't like the ride of the KHS or Mercier - maybe they like the idea of an american made frame - who knows and who cares - all I did was point out a place with good deals at and below $2k - Landsharks are really nice frames. He also has a bunch of bikes for much less - as an example, a Cinelli Proxima with full Ultegra for $1195 - if you actually bothered to look at his site, you would also see that he has a number of frames which he would build up with Dura Ace for under $2k, if having all DA is that important to you (personally, aside from the STI levers, and maybe the hubset, I really don't see what is gained by going DA on everything else)|
|re: What's the best new bike for $2000?||weiwentg|
Feb 27, 2002 5:46 AM
|if you mean the best bike at normal retail price for under $2k, that would probably be the Giant TCR 1. it's full Ultegra, R535 wheels, and the frame handles superbly. I just completed a couple of races on a TCR 0 frame (custom group) and was more or less blown away. I crashed and bruised my ribs badly, but that's another story.|
|" I crashed and bruised my ribs badly, but..."||Crankist|
Feb 27, 2002 6:15 AM
|Never mind that - how's the bike? |
Mike : }
|" I crashed and bruised my ribs badly, but..."||weiwentg|
Feb 27, 2002 9:56 AM
|the bike came through almost perfectly. scratches to my left shifter (it was used and already scratched, so no big deal). one broken rear spoke, the wheel was wobbling by almost an inch. we trued it until the wobble was about a centimeter, and I completed the crit the next day. small scratch on rear chainstay where the broken spoke slapped into the frame. no other damage. yay!!
just after impact, I got up. finding no major injuries, I told myself to get back on my bike. I looked around, and went 'Where the hell is my bike?!?!?'. she'd been thrown 5 meters away from me :\
anyway, I got on her, and the handlebars were twisted 40 degrees right. I got right on and finished the race - that must've been quite a sight. that race was crazy - it was a collegiate Cat C race, 3 laps, 9 miles each. some maniac wiped out within 10 minutes on the first lap. someone else crashed on the 2nd lap - and took down one of my 3 teammates. he couldn't finish the race. the remaining 3 of us wiped out on that last lap. one guy wrecked his wheel :( so, all 4 of us crashed, and only 2 of us finished. I got 32nd place out of 90 starters, which is not too bad considering the crash. but still, all 4 of us would have been able to place if not for that. oh well, c'est la vie...
anyway, for the past few days I've been raving about my new TCR to my mountain biker friend ... and it seems that he is now in the market for a Giant TCR (looking on eBay and rec.bicycles.marketplace). it's a terrific frame. the funny thing is that, when I first took up road biking, he said it would be too boring for him. later he said it was OK, and that he'd wait until he could get a really good road bike. a few weeks ago, I made some quip about him not yet having 'seen the light' ... and he replied that he had seen the light, but his wallet hadn't. and yesterday at midnight, he called me for advice on a TCR 1 frame ('00 version) he saw going for $300. the only reason I didn't laugh was because of the ribs.
thanks for asking :))