|MTB in PA||moots|
Feb 26, 2002 3:06 PM
|Is anyone familiar with new laws regarding riding on state land that is also open to hunting in PA? I heard in 2003 unless posted "open to ride" trails will not be open to MTB. I am from NJ, but some times I ride at Jim Thorpe, PA. The riding is great, but many of the trails are on state "hunting" grounds. If this rumor is true we'll be forced to ride the "rails to trails" around town and that is all.
Can anyone share more detail on this?
|re: MTB in PA||cyclopathic|
Feb 26, 2002 4:17 PM
|On Jan 1, 2003, ALL state game lands will be closed to bikers. This includes some trails at Michaux and many at Jim Thorpe. The PGC has said they will open trails on a case by case basis but this approval must come from the heads of the PGC. It doesn't matter really because they have designated "trails" as 8 ft wide and hardpacked. The PGC is considering putting a moratorium on opening trails for one year after the Jan 1, 2003 closure. It is thought that this is to give the bikers enough rope to hang themselves by riding illegally. If they catch enough illegal bikers, they will not open any fireroads to riding. The maximum penalty for illegally using the gamelands is they can confiscate you bike and never return it and charge you up to $600.
more info on PGC site..
|Is IMBA and other local organizations mighting this? (nm)||laffeaux|
Feb 26, 2002 4:19 PM
Feb 26, 2002 4:32 PM
|there's not much can be done about it.
PGC owns 40-50% of public land in PA and they are completely independent from state DNR or federal, very little funding. This is their land and they can pretty much do what they want.
Jim Thorpe is going down :-( this is the last year
|re: MTB in PA||moots|
Feb 26, 2002 6:46 PM
|I don't have anything against hunters. At the same time I don't care for riders who show them little respect by at least wearing orange during season. However, I have issue with access being closed.
How about if I bought a PA hunting permit? Would I then be allowed to use the trails? Let me guess 4 wheelers will still be allowed. Help me understand the logic behind that.
Feb 26, 2002 7:04 PM
|we pay money why those fags and suckers come here for free? it is our /tax/ money
obviously there's enough animosity btw hunters and bikers
It could be also the fact that selling licenses is the major source of income for PGC, but I doubt
my plan is to get a fishing license and carry a small fishing pole.
I've heard that it isn't that easy to get a license in PA though
Thing is that I don't MTB much in PA, I go to Micheax a few times a year and it isn't affected.
Sad to loose Jim Thorpe :(
Feb 27, 2002 7:26 AM
|I live on the other side of the state and in my opinion the PGC has done nothing good in my lifetime. I used to hunt but the game commission has done their best to eliminate all the game. As for fishing, I used to do that too but it now costs $26 just to go out and catch some carp. The new hunting rules are ludicrous and the mentality towards bikers is worse. Some fat beer swilling red neck can spill gasoline all over the parking lot while filling up his 4 wheeler before a 3 hour mud filled trail destroying ride but I can't throw on a pair of spandex and try to get some excercise because that's not manly. There is absolutely no reason why bikers shouldn't be allowed to use these trails when they are open to other RV's & the general public. If it's an issue over safety or the bikers scaring off the game then I would accept closing the trails during hunting season.
It's a shame because the singletrack in Pennsylvania is amazing. To make matters worse, the attitude towards road bikers where I live is about the same. One local radio show last year proposed that bicycles shouldn't be allowed on the roads becasue they are not licensed vehicles. The callers all agreed with many of the responses being to "run the faggots off the road".
Riding in Pennsylvania in any form is definitely on the decline.
Feb 27, 2002 7:38 AM
|PGC is in a world of its own. It claims to do things for hunters but the hunters' feelings toward then are almost as warm as those of MT bikers. There seems to be very little rhyme or reason to their policy.
PAS does have (or had?) some of the best riding on the east coast. The attitude slow-ron points out toward road bikes is right on as well.