|New BICYCLING 'bike-finder' is great||jackbike|
Feb 25, 2002 4:39 PM
|The bicycling site now has the 2002 BIKE FINDER working. I think it is great. You can really comapre bikes spec for spec. Select a type of bike, a type of tubing, and a price range and get all the 2002 choices. then pick four and compare them side to side. For a free service, i think it's great. try it at www.bicycling.com - I found it very interesting how few Steel bikes there are from $1500 to $2000 - a prime price range - anyway lots of fun|
|do they have the MOTOBECANE?||nm|
Feb 25, 2002 4:48 PM
|do they have the MOTOBECANE? I would guess so AND||jackbike|
Feb 26, 2002 1:32 AM
|has Trek, specialized, Cannondale, Mercier, Bianchi, Raleigh, Diamondback, Fuji, KHS, Jamis, Litespeed, Giant and all the other bikes some people love and some have no respect for. You are correct I love my Motobecane but that does not mean I am a stupid or bad person -- I also love my retro Cruiser and I ride it WITHOUT SHOES ! so there -- at least I am on a bike. my whole point is: open minded people can now easily compare bikes; without gong to 50 sites or collecting 40 catalogs - that is a good thing.|
|WHO CARES, other than you Moto-spamers...||sprockets|
Feb 26, 2002 8:59 AM
|who take every opportunity to talk up those crappy asian bikes. I would not be surprised if a bunch of you are brothers of the importer or some other ridiculous thing. Go away, just like the REAL Motobecane did years ago.|
|are you insane? or just mean?||susan|
Feb 27, 2002 5:01 AM
|I have a Trek ATB and a KHS road bike - both are made in Taiwan and are equipped with Shimano made in Japan! what's wrong with stuff made in asia? How about my Toyota? is that crappy too -- ?? you must have a mental defect!|
|Unfair competition and quality issues||cyclaholic|
Feb 27, 2002 6:50 AM
|Chances are good that your Toyota vehicle was produced in the US by American workers. Though there may be continuing concerns about how they treat these workers, they are paying good wages and offering good benefits. Nobody is slamming them; they are competing fairly.
Shimano is doing a fine job competing with Campagnolo. Their products have been proven and no one argues that they are exploiting workers. They aren't being slammed, though many contend that their products are inferior in quality to Campy.
For some reason, two or three posters on RBR insist on promoting the particular brand of bike tht they bought - Motobecane, in this case - as being the best deal. Some of us strongly disagree with that, using the issue of labor exploitation as a key part of our argument. I would gladly pay an extra $400 to avoid the stigma that comes with these bargain basement bikes.
Back in the day, Motobecane made some neat bicycles in France. But, like so many other companies, they are now outsourcing their production to places where wages are nothing short of depressed. Some of us maintain that when this is done, people are exploited and quality is lessened. Some propagandists and apologists are up in arms over this point of view.
|Is it broken?||joeg26er|
Feb 25, 2002 7:54 PM
|I tried it and it doesn't do what I thought it should do.
Seems like the selection choices are waay too limited.
I think it is stupid that one cannot weed out bikes that don't come with a carbon fork.
Here is an example:
Suppose you wanted to find the cheapest bike with a carbon fork?
Good luck - you can't do that - you are going to have to look at EVERY bike and make notes of EVERY bike with a carbon fork and THEN compare prices...SHEESH!
That search form is just too limited to be useful.
It assumes people don't care about what the fork is made of.
No way to search for a bike based on group or weight or number of gears.
Think about it- how do you shop for a bike?
You want certain things - maybe you want a Ti bike with a steel fork - nope bikefinder can't really help you there.
Maybe you want to see all the bikes that have an Ultegra rear derailleur? Nope - good luck lookin' at all the bikes.
Maybe you want a bike with Campagnolo...gotta look at all of them...
Maybe you want a steel bike with a triple....can't search that either.
Aaagh - I hope they change it...
They oughta call it the "Bike Confounder" not the "Bike Finder"
|Is it broken? -- For a free service it isnt bad||jackbike|
Feb 26, 2002 1:24 AM
|I understand that you cant search by fork type -- I dont think thats too bad. However It would be helpful if it could search by Group. Searching by price is realistic; most consumers (does not count majority of people on this message board) are first concerned with price. So if you want a steel road preformance bike and your budget is $1500 to $2000 - it will list them with specs -- there are only 5 bikes so its easy to compare. I am not selling Bicycling - I just think it beats to old days of collecting a bunch of catalogs to try to compare specs.|
|you need a DSL line||mike on 2|
Feb 26, 2002 2:45 AM
|this bike finder is probably good; but it is slow. I did several searches on steel road bikes under $1500 and there are too many price catagories and it takes my sysyem a long time. maybe I should spring for DSL|
|you need a DSL line - thats for sure||bikeroger|
Feb 26, 2002 5:00 AM
|you need a DSL line||DSL|
Feb 26, 2002 7:03 AM
|Even with a dsl it is slow. The older bike finder did give you many more options and you could narrow down your choice. But it is still a nice starting point to begin your search.|
|re: New BICYCLING 'bike-finder' is great||DINOSAUR|
Feb 26, 2002 8:57 AM
|I clicked on that site, the problem is they have a very narrow field of bikes to choose from. I wonder where they came up with the list, advertisers?
Another option is to try wrenchscience, you can do an online fit and they will spec a bike for you. Mine came pretty close, they were just off on stem length. Then again they don't list all manufacturers. But it gives you and idea of what you should be looking for...