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Look Delta Cleats..(14 posts)

Look Delta Cleats..DINOSAUR
Feb 25, 2002 10:12 AM
I just receieved a new set of Look PP357 pedals to go with my new bike. I noticed that the cleats are the Delta System.
I'm currently using PP247's with the Look Free Arc cleat. Both are red. What is the difference between these two systems and can I use the same PP357 cleat for both pedal systems? I noticed that the Delta has a 9 degree float same as the the Free Arc. What's the difference?
Answering my own question..DINOSAUR
Feb 25, 2002 10:39 AM
I just jumped on the Look site, apparently these are the same cleats, both have the free arc float...
Answering my own question..koala
Feb 25, 2002 11:11 AM
Hey Dino, did you ever ride looks without the float? I just got a set of 357s after having 176s with no float. I am having a hard time adjusting. Any idea how long it takes to adjust?
Prefer black cleats w/o float.dzrider
Feb 25, 2002 11:34 AM
I have problems with my feet and find that the black cleats cause less problems with my achilles tendons. Have no idea why, but each time new pedals have come with red cleats I've tried them and come to the same conclusion.
I haven't tried the black cleats..DINOSAUR
Feb 25, 2002 3:29 PM
Not that I haven't been tempted. It took awhile for me to get used to the 9 degree float, but as the cleats wear down they don't seem to float as much. If I replaced the cleats per Looks instructions I'd be installing new cleats every other month. They say the black cleats make you feel more connected to your bike. One of these days I'll give them a go..
I haven't tried the black cleats..Clerk
Feb 25, 2002 4:27 PM
Is there any way to add some degrees of float to the black cleats? I feel like I'm (inefficiently) skating with the red free arc cleats, but the black fixed cleats have tweaked my knees -- though I really appreciate how I feel "bolted" to the pedal. Does anyone know how I might be able to give my knees a break with the black cleats?
I haven't tried the black cleats..DINOSAUR
Feb 25, 2002 7:03 PM
You sound like you would like the Look PP-396's. They have an adjustable float of 0 3 6 9 degrees. The drawback is that they are expensive at around $200.00. The PP-396 replaced the PP-???, you might find some of those on sale. Another pedal you might consider is Speedplay's. Guys who have trouble with knees swear by them. Or consider Shimano PD-6601. I used Ritchey Logics (Shimano SPD clones) and liked them, I just had trouble engaging sometimes and I came back to Look. I would think you need a pedal system that has some type of float. Also with the Look's, remember you have to raise your saddle somewhere around 3mm, then your foot finds its natural position and the float is hardly noticeable. It took me about three weeks to get used to them. Find a pedal system that works and take care of you knees.
check out Supergo...dsc
Feb 25, 2002 7:45 PM
they are closing out the Look 296's (last yr's version of 396) for $99.99 right now. They have the same 0 3 6 9 degrees of dial-adjustable float. I've got them on my bike and they work great.

This is a good price!DINOSAUR
Feb 26, 2002 6:24 AM
Wish I would have saw these before I ordered my PP-357's.
Ebay also has good prices...Marlon
Feb 26, 2002 7:23 AM
Got a set of 396's for $95, $6 shipping via ebay.

- Marlon
I haven't tried the black cleats..Clerk
Feb 26, 2002 10:23 AM
I know that there are other pedals available that offer more float -- on my commuter, I have some Time Atac pedals that have never once hurt my knees. However, with the red free arc cleats on my new Look pedals, it literally feels like I'm skating around on them; there's no resistance within those 9 degrees of float, whereas with other pedals it seems that you're foot can move but meets resistance when doing so. I like the way the black fixed cleat feels (more solidly connected to the pedal), but apparently I need some at least a little float. Having examined the red and black cleats together, it appears that there is little structural difference between them. I was wondering if there was a way to jerry-rig the black cleats to provide for some float.
I haven't tried the black cleats..DINOSAUR
Feb 26, 2002 1:23 PM
I don't think there is a way to jerry-rig the black cleats. It sounds like you would like the PP-296's as you can dial in a 3 degree float. Or check ebay for PP-396's on sale. I think a 3 degree float for me would be the ticket. Also the float of the 9 degrees gets less noticeable as you wear your cleats down. I replace my cleats when I start having trouble disengaging (usually about 3 months on a set of cleats). Yeah I know, more money, but you want to protect those knees or you won't be cycling at all....
Maybe they are the "squeakless" cleats?tarwheel
Feb 26, 2002 5:43 AM
All of my red ones squeak. Let me know if your Deltas don't.
Maybe they are the "squeakless" cleats?DINOSAUR
Feb 26, 2002 6:21 AM
I've never had a problem with sueaking red cleats. Maybe it's the combination of cf soled shoes and the al bodied Look pedals? My old NW's have plastic soles.