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Noodly aluminum frames - huh?(11 posts)

Noodly aluminum frames - huh?Woof the dog
Feb 20, 2002 1:10 AM
http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa092497.htm?iam=dpile&terms=Orbia+frame+cycling

here is the text part i was wondering about:
"....Yes, I know that Klein and Cannondale have done wonders with aluminum. They're no longer as noodly and life draining as they were 15 years ago. Aluminum frames are certainly very light, and aluminum is pretty cheap. But, as light as those monster-tubed bikes are, they tend to be jittery and somewhat relentless. And, have you ever seen one after a crash? They crush about as easily as an aluminum can. And, you can never seem to tell if they are getting fatigued, ready to break, or if they are getting pitted. Sure aluminum doesn't rust, but it sure does oxidize, and the effects aren't as visible. But, they're certainly there...."

I thought first aluminum frames where known for their extreme harshness AND stiffness, which is kind of the same thing really, or at least related. But noodly? My old cannonsnail frame sure ain't noodly. He also ses aluminum frames are jittery attributing it to basically the properties of aluminum - what a bunch of bull!

Whose bad is it, mine or his?

Sincerely

Woof the dog.
re: Noodly aluminum frames - huh?xxl
Feb 20, 2002 4:58 AM
Maybe the guy was referring to the really early aluminum frames, like the first Vitus/Alan products, or the Viscount? I never rode 'em, but I understand they had the rep for being a little rubbery.

I totally agree with you on the handling thing; I don't think the wheels really know what kind of frame they're clamped to. Wheels and frame geometry, IMHO, are what drives "handling." Maybe the guy was referring to the notion that a lot of aluminum bikes seem to have "crit bike" geometries?

We can't blame this one on the dog.
Remember Vitus frames?pmf1
Feb 20, 2002 5:21 AM
These were lugged aluminium frames that were around 10 or so years ago. They had a reputation of being a noodle frame. In fact, all aluminium bikes had that rep until Gary Klein came up with the idea of thin over-size tubes. This enabled frame makers to make aluminium bikes that were both stiff and light. Cannondale, then a small manufacturer of outdoor clothing, "borrowed" the idea and became what they are today. I do recall that 3.0 Cannondale frame I once owned. That was sure a punishing bike. I have not owned an aluminium bike since.

Basically, aluminium is soft metal. The big tube idea made it practical for bike frames.
Fondly! Comfortable but disposable nmdzrider
Feb 20, 2002 6:08 AM
15,000 miles and still going strongDave Hickey
Feb 20, 2002 6:54 AM
My rain bike is Vitus 979 with over 15,000 miles and it's still going strong. It is not the stiffest frame but it still works fine.
Its no noodle.vitusdude
Feb 20, 2002 7:48 AM
40000 miles on my 992, and its no noodle.
Wish mine lasted that long.dzrider
Feb 20, 2002 10:48 AM
It was no noodle. I thought that it felt pretty similar to many of the Columbus SL bikes of the late 80's. I hope my new bike is as comfy after 90 miles as the 992 was.
Sean Kelly (masher) + Vitus (noodly)vicenza
Feb 20, 2002 7:58 AM
he seemed to like them and from what i can remember so did i. sure i remember them feeling flexy when tramping but i dont recall my times slowing or feeling slower and dare i say it the ride was even betterr than that italian frame enfing in "O". umm-ahhh.

i am sure in 5 years time these frames will appreciated for what they were and will make buying one now at around $200 or so seem like a bargain which is what they are.
What IS Noodly??????surf
Feb 20, 2002 7:56 AM
At the moment my bike has what it calls a hybrid alluminum fork??? Anyway, I have taken some fast downhills and the bike is solid. One time on the downhill while turning on a fast hill I did feel some flex but im new at all this so I don't know what to attribute that to. It could be the wheels (had some loose spokes), the frame, ect. Anyway, what the heck is noodly???
thanks
YepMel Erickson
Feb 20, 2002 9:23 AM
The first aluminum frames were noodly. Early builders started using aluminum tubing that mimiced what they knew, steel tubing. They built bikes with small diameter, bonded tubes (the art and technology of aluminum welding in the bike business was not well developed). These bikes were whippy as hell and also fell apart. Technology, through trial and error and eventually scientific testing, improved and the modern aluminum tubed bike was born. Just like many technologies, the aluminum bike frame had several dead end roads.
1987 cannondale crit series. I only wish it would break...Barnyard
Feb 20, 2002 3:40 PM
Some people tell me it will, but I don't think so. I even clamped a rack on it and turned it into a touring bike. It's still very solid.