|to oclv or not?||esbike|
Feb 18, 2002 1:17 PM
|I'm looking to buy a new frame and am considering a oclv 110 frame/fork. They run $2k, which is as much as I would want to spend. I'm not worried about looking like a "fred" -I practically have that tatooed on my forehead. What I'd like is a bike that is really comfortable over the longer distances that I do (70-120 miles) and is also light as I live in very hilly country. I'm not very heavy (131 lbs) and figure carbon fiber is plenty stiff for me. I have a friend who has a trek superlight and I like the ride quality.
Can anyone think of other frames I should look at given my price range? I have taken a look at Calfee, and I know it has its strong supporters, but I just can't see spending the extra money. I've never ridden a steel or titanium bike. I had a cannondale but didn't like the jarring ride. My current bike is an older trek aluminum/carbon bonded bike. Thanks.
|calfee not worth it||esbike|
Feb 18, 2002 1:41 PM
|The oclv's are great value. I don't see that calfee has anything on them. A C40 is a great ride but worth the substantial extra cost? - doubtful.|
|re: to oclv or not?||RollinFast|
Feb 18, 2002 1:44 PM
|I received some really good information from Ben Draus at www.cbike.com They have an 800 number you can get from their web site. They sell that frame at one of the best prices in the US. They also sell other carbon frames as well.|
|re: to oclv or not?||Elefantino|
Feb 18, 2002 2:05 PM
|If you like the ride quality, why not buy it?
I would, however, suggest that you ride ti and steel. Try a Litespeed or a Merlin and see if you like that ride quality. Then go ride a LeMond or other 853 steel bike.
I have OCLV and love it. It's my long-distance bike and the favorite in my small stable.
And I am the ultimate Fred.
|re: to oclv or not?||I have ridden both|
Feb 18, 2002 5:02 PM
|I have ridden both a Calfee Tetra and a Trek OCLV and to me there is no difference at all in overall ride between the two frames. Buying a Calfee may give you a more unique bike, but it certainly doesn't mean it's any better and a Tetra will put a much larger hole in your wallet by the time you buy a fork and get it outfitted comparable to a Trek 5200 on the order of about $1,000 more. Not worth it in my opinion. I know Calfee has a very loyal following and their owners rave that their bikes ride better than Treks but I testrode a Tetra twice for several hours and noticed no ride quality difference at all. I think a lot of the Calfee owners like to try to claim their bike is better than a Trek simply because it costs more and is more exclusive, I think they are a funny bunch. Trek OCLV is about the only stock frame being ridden by the Pro's in the Tour, just about every other sponsor bike is custom made, that should tell you something about the quality of their stock frames. Their warranty is lifetime and their ride is light and comfy and for the price is about impossible to beat IMO. If you like the way it rides, I have no idea why you would want to spend more $$$ on an overpriced and hyped Calfee.|
|Carbon Dreams||David S|
Feb 18, 2002 4:55 PM
|I have been riding an OCLV for a year or so, and also own an aluminum bike. In regards to the OCLV- fantastic ride quality, very forgiving, road noise is gone, small bumps melt away, extremely stiff when you really pound, but yes...it may be a "little Fred". Your butt and back will love it. 4 hours on OCLV equals about 2 hours on the AL bike in comfort. Also VERY light.
Other frames>> Calfee is nice, but pricey. I have never compared them head to head but I recall similar ride qualities.
Steel is another option. Supple ride, connected road feel, classic looks, strong, but a bit flexy.
Overall, I suggest the OCLV. Some people will say that "they are everywhere", and that you should get something exotic. They are everywhere for a reason, my friend.
ps- I dream in carbon now.
|How about OCLV 120 with Project one paint?||Greenie|
Feb 18, 2002 5:43 PM
You can't go wrong with the OCLV, given the warranty and the overall good ride characteristics. I feel the OCLV isn't as 'dead' as people make it out to be. It's nice for the long haul and has stable handling.
I'd get a custom paint job on an OCLV 120 frame. The headset on the 110 frames are a little sketchy still. You may want to wait until trek fixes that. Then build with your favorite groupo.
|just my $0.02 on the headset||AllUpHill|
Feb 18, 2002 9:28 PM
|I've had no problems with the headset on my 2002 110 frame. Other owners seem to say the same. One would hope they have corrected the problems with the 2001 headsets, and it appears that they have.
Just throwing in my experience on the topic. Your mileage may vary.
Love the frame by the way.
|have you ridden a carbon bike?||bn|
Feb 18, 2002 6:18 PM
|some don't like the ride.... I hated the OCLV when I test rode one|
|have you ridden a carbon bike?||Cherry1|
Feb 18, 2002 7:01 PM
|I think it is a dead dull ride. If you are a masher forget it!|
|re: to oclv or not?||mosovich|
Feb 18, 2002 8:07 PM
|I was riding aluminum as well and had to get rid of it, and I use steel for cyclocross, but recently got an OCLV and love it! I used to have alot of back problems before I got this bike and since then had none. I way 190 and have no problem as far as stiffness goes, and it climbs really well also.|
|Have it all||Starliner|
Feb 18, 2002 8:33 PM
|You sound like a guy who doesn't worry about money, but appreciates value. In other words, money is not necessarily the bottom line; comfort is recognized as an important issue. Go for carbon. Maybe even consider a suspension seatpost and (maybe) front fork. Also, consider running tires that are a notch bigger in diameter.
A Calfee Luna Pro (their standard level bike) may work for you. Calfees are well regarded. If you want your bike tailor made to your physique, Calfee's pricier Tetra Pro frame can be custom built to your very own vital statistics.
The cheaper Luna Pros come with a 1" HS, but at your weight you probably don't need the newer 1-1/8" format. Plus, quality 1" components (headset, fork) can be bought for cheaper prices than 1-1/8" components, so with a Calfee Luna Pro, your total build price could be pretty favorable.
If you have an open mind and if the zoot (big-time logo on the downtube) factor is low on your list, a great value carbon frame is the Supergo Scattante for around $700 with fork. Yeah, Supergo @ www.supergo.com.
Supergo subcontracts the manufacture of these frames with some outfit which I think is in Singapore. This factory also sells the same frame through other sources. They are good quality frames and don't cost a lot - a very good value.
I got my frame through one of these alternative sources. I am 6'2 and 195-200 lbs and got a 59cm (center to top) frame which I feared was smallish. But its top tube is relatively longish, and I've built it into a wicked fast racing bike with which, had I not threw my chain with 2 laps to go, I may have finished in as high as third in a Masters 45+ crit race two weekends ago, the second crit I've ever ridden in my life.
The dropped chain forced me to pull over and stop. By the time I managed to fix the problem, the peloton had passed by and I ended up chasing them to the finish line. Nonetheless, the bike was real comfortable, quick handling and responsive throughout; riding the last half of the race with the leaders I felt I could meet any jump or any challenge, and afterwards I felt fresh enough to race some more.
|GIANT TCR Carbon frame||Cherry1|
Feb 19, 2002 5:12 AM
|I know it might be worth the wait to look for the upcoming GIANT TCR carbon. They started showing up during Interbike this year. I know Team ONCE is very excited about the carbon TCR. I have seen pictures, and they are sharp. Can't wait to feel the ride. If the TCR concept holds true with carbon, it should we a stiffer carbon ride.|
|GIANT TCR Carbon frame||Cherry1|
Feb 19, 2002 5:14 AM
|Here is the picture of the new GIANT TCR Team Carbon frame. Giant has produced other carbon frames and components in the past.|
|re: to oclv or not?||pmf1|
Feb 19, 2002 10:17 AM
|Personally, I don't like the Evil Empire of Trek, but that's just me. You hear an awful lot of stories about their frames breaking and their service sucking. Yes, even I have a friend with a story. Then again, for the number of them out there, were're bound to hear a few stories. |
Carbon is a great choice for long rides. Two U.S. fabricators that have been around for some time are Kestrel and Aegis. They started out as one company and split. Both make bikes that are one-piece design, not lugged or bonded like Trek (bonded). I have had a Kestrel 200 Sci for 8 years and its been a great bike. Maybe heavy by today's standards (3.2 lbs for 56 cm frame) standards. They make a more expensive version (EMS) that is lighter. I have never ridden Aegis, but know people who are happy with them. I also have a Colnago C-40 which is a very light bike with a nice ride. In all honesty though, my Kestrel rides very similar.
Those 110's are pretty expensive. For that kind of money, I'd want something without the "T" word on it.