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Trek1200 vs Cannondale R700(14 posts)

Trek1200 vs Cannondale R700Brewer01
Feb 17, 2002 5:06 PM
I am new to the road biking arena, and I am in the process of evaluating a beginner bike that I can grow into. The two that I am comparing are the Trek1200 and the Cannondale R700. Can anyone give me advice on a nice bike to start with? Has anyone compared these two bikes, and which one is the better value?

Thanks,
Brewer01
re: Trek1200 vs Cannondale R700 - neither - both have bad forksbikejack
Feb 17, 2002 5:58 PM
An Aluminum road bike should have a Carbon Fiber Fork. You can find a Motobecane with a Carbon fork for about $500 to $600 - and avoid buying an expensive up-grade fork later on.
If the put a carbon fork on the Trek it would be nice - but that would cost you probably $200
Ignore the other remarkcyclaholic
Feb 17, 2002 7:30 PM
There is little to compare when deciding between a Trek 1200 and a Cannondale R700. The R700 is a good road bike!

I just checked at cannondale.com and they list the R700 as coming with a SI Prodigy Carbon fork. I don't understand the comment used by the other writer.

The Trek 1200 is a decent road bike, but don't expect any real performance out of it. The R700 is a CAAD5 frame; I know guys with CAAD3 frames who love them.

Yes, you can cheap out and get a Motobecane for $500. As I've said many times, you get what you pay for. Heck, if you want to save maney run over to Walmart and pick up some other made in Taiwan/China/Malaysia poorly made piece of junk.

If the prices are close betwenn the Cannondale R700 and the Trek 1200, there is no real choice. And the Motobecane is no real choice, either. If you can afford it, get a good bike. You'll be glad you did.
like it or not _ MONEY countsbikejack
Feb 18, 2002 9:59 AM
the cannondale is a rip off and you should know it! The "CADD5" frame is heavier and not nearly as strong as the Kinesium frame used by Motobecane, FLET, and Santa Cruz.
The trek frame is goos - but at $1000 you do not even get a carbon fork - a Trek 1200 with the stock fork will shake your teeth out. There are lots of great deals for anyone who is not a sheep following the big names. Motobecane, FELT, Mercier, Cervelo, etc all have good bikes at reasonable prices. Research pays!
Whos' making these frames?Cyclaholic
Feb 18, 2002 2:34 PM
Money does count...and you get what you pay for.

Who's building these Motobecanes and Cervelos? Where are their manufacturing plants? They are cheaper because the labor is outsourced to who knows where, and fabricated by some robot welder that's probably slowly killing the workers who program it.

Though I don't own a single Cannondale, I know that we are talking about a quality company that makes quality bikes. They are not outsourcing their work and selling their products with French and Italian sounding names like "Cervelo", "Motobecane", and Scattante". Such practice is deceitful.

The Motobecane frame could weigh 1 lb. but it would still be an inferior prodcut to the Cannondale offering. And, regardless of what you claim, that CAAD5 frame is a solid and lightweight frame that will please its owner for years.

Now we will agree that the Trek 1200 is not a great choice, but I think you can get one for less than $1000. I met a lady who bought a brand new Trek 2000 (very good frame!) and I think she said she paid $1000.

You can justify your $500 purchase any way you wish. We know why they are so cheap. Kinesium? Can I find that element in the periodic table?
sorry - you justy dont know what you are talking aboutbikejack
Feb 18, 2002 4:11 PM
Kinesis makes frames in 3 countries; all the Taiwan and USA made ones are hand-made. The tensel stremght and cycle time on the frames used by Motobecane and FELT exceed the CADD5 frame and they are lighter frames as a plus. Kinesis has made frames for almost every company selling bikes in the USA. So is a Specialized with a kinesis frame better than a Motobecane or FELT made by the same company - I guess for people who beleive advertising they are. Get your facts straight and try to open your eyes -- there are lots of great bikes that are NOT the top advertisers -- or just read this months Bicycling Buyers Guide
As I said, the labor has been outsourced.cyclaholic
Feb 18, 2002 8:30 PM
Motobecane carries the once proud name of a French bicycle company but, as I made clear to you, they have outsourced their "handmade" frames to countries where wages - and environmental regulations - are low. This, and inferior componentry, explains the low price.

I checked out motobecane.com and I only saw 3 models that could have met the criteria I think you outlined above. I say "I think" because your writing isn't real clear.

Two of these Kinesis frame models are poorly equipped, with Sora components everywhere. I think the other model- listed as MSRP $1000 - still is much more poorly equipped than a Cannondale R700. That model has mostly Tiagra with Sora shifters. The Cannondale model is good to go. Race it. Ride a century on it. No batteries required.

All three of these Motobecane models need serious and expensive upgrades to get to that level.

You're screaming about how light these Motobecane frames are. How light are they? How light could they be? If these Kinesis frames were some kind of superlight aluminum, then I'm sure their website would make that known.


I don't think that any objective reader could possibly conclude that any of these entry level Motobecanes are as good as the Cannondale R700.

If you want to brag that you saved lots of money by riding your made in Taiwan French bike with Sora shifters and components, brag away. My thumbs get sore just thinking about it.
As I said, the labor has been outsourced - like Specializedbikejack
Feb 19, 2002 1:39 AM
Specialized, FELT, Mercier, Santa Cruz, etc etc all outsource frame building to Taiwan - what's wrong with that - Taiwan makes some of the top frames in the world. By the way you have to compare apples to apples on price. The Motobecane I got is the le Champion - I paid $1100 with FULL Ultergra and a 2.75 lb frame with a carbon fork. If you think a cannodale that you can get at $1100 beats that; you must work for cannondale.
You compared a Cannondale R700 with a $500-600 Motobecanecyclaholic
Feb 19, 2002 8:17 AM
You need to read your own posts.

You made the original comparison - in your first post - stating that a $500-600 Motobecane (no model named) was equal to or better than a Cannondale R700. Confronted with specific facts, you have jumped up to a $1100 (your figure) Motobecane model equipped with Ultegra. That's changing horses in midstream. i should also mention that you said a C-Dale R700 did not have a carbon fork.

If you want to brag that you saved lots of money on your Franch-named but Taiwan-made bike, due exclusively to the fact that the outsourced labor is the primary factor, then brag away.

Cannondale is a solid manufacturing company that makes a fine product without outsourcing its work to Taiwan. If you want to ride a bike that's meant to sound European or American but isn't (Cervelo, Scattante, Motobecane, Specialized), that is your choice. I would gladly pay a couple of hundred dollars to say away from that stigma.

Le Champion??? Hardly. How about "L'etranger". Much more appropriate. Peut-etre "Le Peloton Pauvre".

Why don't they ever give these bikes Chinese/Taiwanese names?
or you work for bikesdirect?nm
Feb 19, 2002 8:34 AM
pretty good move though, not address the point and redirect to another topic
or you work for cannondale?bikejack
Feb 20, 2002 6:58 AM
what the point here - best bike for the money or flame people from other countries? o you really think an Aluminum frame knows where it is made? That Tiagra is better than Ultegra? that a steel or aluminum fork is better than a Carbon Fork -- surely not - so I guess you are part of Cannondale's marketing team whose object is to overcharge for bikes and give limited warranties - {by the way - I got my bike from a Bike Dealer - in Orlando}
All together now: "Buy used."Elefantino
Feb 17, 2002 10:34 PM
Welcome to the road. Now make your first purchase a smart one.

For the money you are looking at putting into either of those two bikes, you could get much more than a beginner bike, one that you could have more fun growing into, if you buy used.

There are those of us on this board who have gotten race-ready bikes, bikes that look practically brand new, with Dura-Ace componentry and oustanding wheels (Mavic, Spinergy, Rolf) for around $1K. ($1,040, shipped, in my case.) If you shop smart and ask the right questions (How many miles? Raced or not? Ever been laid down? etc), you will be much happier with a used steed than a new one. And if you don't want a bike with Dura-Ace-level components, you can pay a lot less than $1K.

However ...

If you must buy a new bike, asking the "which is better" question is dangerous. You must do the comparison with your backside. Ride each of them, for as long as you can. (Some shops will give you a rental/demo to take out for an hour or two.) Neither of the bikes you mention is bad. They are both fine just-above-entry-level roadsters. (You might want to also consider the LeMond Tourmalet, which has a steel frame; steel generally gives a less harsh ride that aluminum.) Component-wise, I believe the Cannondale to be slightly better.

How many bikes have you ridden? What kind of riding will you be doing? How big or small are you? Answers to all of these questions will determine which bike is best for you.

But ultimately, you have to decide. And there is really only one rule you have to follow: Buy the bike that feels the best and that has the best componentry you can afford. Period.

FWIW,
Mike
Nothing like a new bikeCyclaholic
Feb 18, 2002 6:46 AM
I understand that buying used is a way to get on a good bike with a minimal investment, but you still will never know quite what you have until you put a good number of miles on it and then do maintenance like overhauling the hubs, and truing the wheels. Just because someone says a bike has never been crashed, doesn't mean it isn't so.

Besides, there is nothing better than getting a new bike. I am always thrilled by the look on a kid's face when his parents are buying him a new bike - even if it is some $95 made in China piece of junk. The kid doesn't know any better. He's just thrilled to have a new bike. What's cool is that adults feel that joy as well when they get new bikes.

Cycling can be expensive - mostly due to maintenance - but compared to other hobbies (cars, motorcycles, golf, boating, etc.), it's really not so bad. For less than $2,000 (NEW!)you can get yourself set up on a darn good machine - so good that you won't need another one for years.

As has been said many times, the fit is key. I wouldn't feel comfortable going to an LBS, trying a number of new bikes for fit, and then buying a used model over the internet or via classifieds.

There are many pluses to buying new bikes. Not only do you know exactly what you're getting (or should be getting), you help to set up a good relationship with the LBS that is beneficial to both parties. At some point, you'll need things that they have, and you can help to keep them in business.

Getting back to the subject, I think the Cannondale R700 is more than a "beginner bike". It has a very nice CAAD5 frame and a good component package (mostly Shimano 105). You could race it; you could ride centuries on it.

Now the Trek 1200 is an entry level product. Both the frame and component package are much inferior to the Cannondale R700.
Ditto the used route...Lone Gunman
Feb 18, 2002 7:11 AM
Any person that buys a new car is actually buying a used car because someone like my dad had to drive a 100 miles to pick it up on a dealer trade.

Exercise equipment: always buy used. Someone bought it based on the infomercial (Bowflex, Soloflex, etc) and used it for several weeks and then stopped and it became the most expensive coat rack ever.

I think if you figure out what size top tube, center to center, fits you and decide what level of components will suite your needs, it is pretty much a buyers market on used bikes. Just use a pay pal system so you don't get stung if the purchase is a wreck, and ask the right questions.