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C-40 for $261 ... its still there(24 posts)

C-40 for $261 ... its still therepmf1
Feb 15, 2002 7:28 AM
Its still for sale. I wonder what will ever happen to this bike. Do you suppose Colnago will really fix it for any less than replacements cost? How would you even remove the lugs to repair it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803439310
re: C-40 for $261 ... its still there853
Feb 15, 2002 7:42 AM
I saw this frame at my local bike shop (budget bikes in Glendale)my friend is a mechanic there. We thought it would be cool looking if it could be framed and hung in my living room! I didn't think that it could be repaired, Oh well, I don't know.Proabably to expensive to fix and then I would not trust it after being repaired.
re: C-40 for $261 ... its still thereslow-ron
Feb 15, 2002 7:43 AM
I guess it must be affordably fixable because if not that's some pretty expensive art work.

I've heard of wraping carbon fiber tape over tubes to add stiffness so I wonder if you can simply wrap the damaged area to fit it.

Any builders out there who can tells us how a fix on this might be accomplished. Or are they the guys bidding and keeping mum.
re: C-40 for $261 ... its still thereWhat a complete joke!
Feb 15, 2002 8:02 AM
The only way you could fix it would be to completely replace the damaged tubes and that would entail removing all the tubes at the joints at the tube in question from their lugs thus probably damaging them as well. It would probably be about the same price to buy a new Colnago. I bet this creep has his own buddies bidding on it.
I bet he already collected from the driver's insurance!Tig
Feb 15, 2002 7:50 AM
It looks like he lost the right brake/shifter and the Easton CF bar as well. Unless he was at fault, he may have already collected from the driver's insurance, or is in the process of filing a suit for damages including personal injury. Perhaps a new 2002 B-stay has already been ordered? These are all assumptions, and you know the old saying about "ass-u-me"!

Its still sad to see such a nice bike all messed up.
Yeah, almost certianlypmf1
Feb 15, 2002 7:58 AM
You can bet this guy has a new bike on the way as a result of this accident. I'd also bet he knows the truth -- Colnago will not fix it for any reasonable price. Otherwise, wouldn't someone at Chicagoland bikes be doing this themselves? I

I bought two C-40's while in Italy and it took what seemed like forever (4 months) to get them. You'd be waiting years to get this thing fixed, even if they could do it.
If it's such a great deal and easy to fix w/ ColnagoWhat a complete joke!
Feb 15, 2002 7:59 AM
Then why doesn't he do it himself? Looks like some con artist trying to pedal his crap off on some unknowing fool. I wouldn't have bid $5 for that wall ornament. If funny how he fails to mention what Colnago would charge to fix that crap if they even can. When it looks to good to be true, it usually is.
If it's such a great deal and easy to fix w/ ColnagoBikewithadam
Feb 15, 2002 8:06 AM
I just think this is hilarious. After all of the back and forth on carbon that we might be having this conversation now. IMHO, the whole point of lots of these materials discussions is carbon, while retaining some nice riding characteristics, is just not durable in terms of crashworthiness compared with some metals. As long as you don't wreck it can be quite nice if well designed, but man, it's really hard to fix once it's busted.

Of course, if you're a pro it doesn't matter because new bikes do grow on trees.
If it's such a great deal and easy to fix w/ ColnagoMarkPorter
Feb 15, 2002 8:12 AM
I think it's hilarious that on his auction he says that only the headtube is damaged. In an impact accident like that, I'd be willing to bet that there is about a 90% probability there's also structural damage which the naked eye can't see to both the toptube and the downtube. One of the big problems with carbon fiber bikes is that when they get damaged, the cracks often start from the inside of the tube and work their way out. Thus, you may not even see a damaged tube crack until it fails. Whoever wins that auction, have them contact me because I have some swampland for sale in FL. A real developers dream. :-)
If it's such a great deal and easy to fix w/ ColnagoScrotto
Feb 15, 2002 8:21 AM
Has anyone bothered to check out this guys sales feedback record on ebay. Almost all his sales are for used bicycles or used bicycle parts. It's probably not even his bike. I'm guessing he bought it off the real owner for $10 and is now trying to turn a quick profit.
what would happen to other bikes in the same situation?Tig
Feb 15, 2002 9:57 AM
We obviously know how the carbon C-40 faired! I doubt most other frames would NOT come out unscathed either. I folded the down tube of a heavy steel Tommasini in a similar crash and the front wheel was only knocked out of true slightly. The frame was totaled, but could have been repaired (an advantage of steel) if it used round tubes instead of the Columbus MS multi-shaped. I wouldn't have been able to even ride home on a thin-walled aluminum frame though. A strait walled Ti frame might have even survived. All the same, I wouldn't want to do the testing!
I would have bid 10 and melt it into a LedZep belt buckle(NM)RayBan
Feb 15, 2002 8:18 AM
And now for something completely contrary ...Elefantino
Feb 15, 2002 8:20 AM
First of all, the repair. Repairing busted carbon frames is easier than you think. I broke the head tube on my OCLV, remember? Sent it back to the factory. They un-joined the tubes, replaced only the head tube, and glued everything back together and repainted it according to my wishes. Cost: $670. Colnago, presumably, would do the same thing, namely, repair only the damaged tube. The rest would be glued together, as new. Cost? I have no idea. But it would likely be less than a new frame. My be is, much less.

Second, carbon bikes are not the only ones that "break" in collision with automobiles. I have it on good authority that steel, aluminum, titanium, scandium and paper mache bikes also have problems with their two-ton road brethren. (I can personally vouch for steel and its reaction to a collision with a 1989 Cadillac. Tange Prestige was not bulletproof.)

One long-distance call would probably clear up the can-it-be-dones, the how-muches and how-soons.

And after all, eBay is "caveat emptor," which is Latin for "if you don't do your homework, don't come cryin' to me."

FWIW,
Mike

PS: Damn, it's not my size.
And now for something completely contrary ...Scrotto
Feb 15, 2002 8:27 AM
How could Colnago possibly give an accurate estimate on the fix cost without seeing the frame in person? You're assuming that only the headtube is damaged. The whole front triangle could be damaged. The whole frame could be out of alingment. It could be an awful lot more than just a cracked headtube. That bike could easily cost 2 grand or more to fix and that doesn't include shipping each way or the customs duties you will pay when the bike is returned to the US in about a year.
And now for something completely contrary ...Elefantino
Feb 15, 2002 8:57 AM
Any reputable Colnago dealer could tell the factory what's wrong and get a cost estimate. That's what happened in my case, only with Trek.

Then again, it may be a horrible deal. That's what makes is so tantalizingly frustrating. Frankly, I hope the person who buys it discovers that Colnago has a soft spot for its broken frames, repairs it for free and sends it back with a complete Record group and two round-trip tickets to Italy for the Giro.

It could happen.

FWIW,
Mike
And now for something completely contrary ...Bolo The Weight Lifter
Feb 15, 2002 9:37 AM
I think the only soft spot Colnago would have is for the original owner, not someone who bought it damaged off of ebay.

A store can look at a carbon bike visually all they want, but without either ultra sounding it or X-raying it, there is no way they could tell with any real accuracy what internal damage has been done to the carbon fibers and the epoxy matrix of all the tubes. Colnago may be able to come up with a preliminary estimate, that would not surprise me, but very likely the real estimate when they look at it in person could be totally different.
And now for something completely contrary ...TF
Feb 15, 2002 9:53 AM
Well, US bike shops should be much more experienced with broken OCLVs than C40 because there are so many of the former. Besides, your cost of repairing it was about 1/2 the retail of a new frame. Assuming Colnago is as friendly to customers as Trek, the cost would come out over 2 grand, adding the international shipping, repairs, and the original $261. For that kind of money, I'd go buy a brand new 5900 instead of a once-broken and repaired C-40.
Yeah, but ...pmf1
Feb 15, 2002 10:05 AM
you'd have a way cooler bike.
2 hose clamps and a roll of duct tape...........STEELYeyed
Feb 15, 2002 1:38 PM
and that baby is good as new.
Colnago duct tape ... $185 a roll (nm)DaveG
Feb 15, 2002 5:08 PM
Carbon Frame InfoNessism
Feb 15, 2002 8:09 PM
I'm not so sure this frame couldn't be repaired. The link below details how Damon Rinard built his own carbon frame in his garage. If someone can build a complete carbon frame, why can't a broken Colnago be repaired?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/carbon_fiber.htm
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/howibuil.htm
Carbon Frame InfoVentouxLUke
Feb 16, 2002 3:42 AM
I'm sure they can repair it. I'm also sure the cost of repairing it will be huge, it will probably approach between 1/2 and 3/4's the price of a new frame. Simply not worth it IMO unless you are the original owner and don't have the cash for a new frame. I'd be very concerned about how much hidden damage there is if it were me.
Carbon Frame InfoVentouxLUke
Feb 16, 2002 3:54 AM
Has anyone noticed the third small picture on the bottom left hand side of this guys auction and looked at it in supersize view? You can see this guy visibly exerting pressure on the tope tube lug junction to separate its connection with the headtube in order to open up the fracture and provide a larger view of the crack. Wanna take bets on what this torquing is doing to the backside end of the headtube where it junctions into the seatube and seatstays? ROTFLMAO, some people will buy anything, truly amazing.
Carbon Frame InfoVentouxLUke
Feb 16, 2002 3:56 AM
Has anyone noticed the third small picture on the bottom left hand side of this guys auction and looked at it in supersize view? You can see this guy visibly exerting pressure on the tope tube lug junction to separate its connection with the headtube in order to open up the fracture and provide a larger view of the crack. Wanna take bets on what this torquing is doing to the backside end of the topube lug where it junctions into the seatube and seatstays? ROTFLMAO, some people will buy anything, truly amazing.