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Pacelining ? How long should you pull(17 posts)

Pacelining ? How long should you pullpa rider
Feb 13, 2002 3:12 AM
The groups I ride with don't work too well to pace line, so I always get hell for pulling out too earily. Nobody in the groups are cat 2 or cat 3 races, so I don't know if you should only pull 1 to 3 minutes or until you fell tired.

Thanks,

Emory
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullweiwentg
Feb 13, 2002 4:53 AM
they're idiots.
I admit I'm still trying to learn this - stupid foolish pride combined with testosterone - but best to pull out early rather than late. pull out late, and you will get fried. and then you'll suck wheel the whole way, or worse, get dropped.
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullMikebikr
Feb 13, 2002 5:05 AM
Pull when you can...suck wheel when you have to.
Where in PA do you ride?
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullpa rider
Feb 13, 2002 6:08 AM
harrisburg Pa. I ride with HBC club B riders. Many in Mechanicsburg, but going to try Carisle group this year. They ride alittle squirrly and don't make their calls.

Last year they had some crashes, but they do over 22 mph averages. I'm going to ride april and may with them. Mainly they go over blue mountain or towards pine grove furnace state park.

We do some rides on weekend towards Gettsyburg or backside of Dillsburg towards York county.
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullMikebikr
Feb 13, 2002 6:21 AM
Is Blue Mountain the climb up to Blue Knob State Park? That has to be a killer. We rode cross state last year and the climb out on Breezwood was the worst. The riding in York was really nice especially in Amish Country.
re:Blue knob is by Altoona or tour of toona...pa rider
Feb 13, 2002 7:09 AM
Blue mountain is the mountain range that goes from interstate 80 down to virginia. It's one of the longest mountain ranges on Appliation mountain pass and the National AT trail follows it (Maine to Georgia 2000 miles long).

I grew up on the other side of Altoona (Cresson) and I know Blue Knob is a killer with their hills. The pro rider do Tour of toona over their in August. They did at one time do the buckhorn (Whoopsi Mountain) over by Altoona going up to horseshoe curve, but I think the 2500 feet elevation must gave them alot of complaints.

Tour of Dupoint did pass by Harrisburg here in the mid 90's. It went over our blue mountain parkway. Lance Armstong made it look easy going over 28 mph up the hill. We usually stand and crank 5 mph up the hill.

Amish county (Lancaster) is a great place to ride. The Lancaster club gets over 2000 riders for their "Cover bridge metric century" in August (this year it will be 8/18/2002).
Pull off before you get tired, not after - nmMcAndrus
Feb 13, 2002 5:30 AM
Here is an idea..Lone Gunman
Feb 13, 2002 6:49 AM
Try and get a sense of time/speed if you have a stop watch feature or clock feature on your speedo. See what the group average is and do that. Now if you are not interested in what the rest of the group is doing YOU set the pace "2 minutes @ 22mph" announcement. It seems the concept of time in the front is lost on the most tired or out of shape in the group. That relationship between time/speed really helps in the group dynamic if the group has an expectation of what the norm will be. Unfortunately, as you know, hills tend to shred paceline riding at the club ride levels so it is just as important to know what is going on behind you when leading the charge up the hill.
pull as long as you canfred!
Feb 13, 2002 6:51 AM
and when you die, bye-bye
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullbrider
Feb 13, 2002 6:51 AM
This depends a lot on the size of the group. In a 5 or more group, the pull would be no more than 30 seconds. As the group gets smaller, the pulls get longer (but the average speed would decrease as well). In larger groups, as soon as the rider who just pulled off is clear of your back wheel, you pull off (a rotating paceline).
three minutes can be an awfully long time . . .morrison
Feb 13, 2002 6:51 AM
I've been on rides like that, and I've been on rides where people pull for less than 20 seconds. I generally try to get in sinc w/ the group w/ 1 caveat: I won't spend myself on a pull.

Several weeks ago I was second in a paceline w/ a guy who took at least a 5 minute pull. We'd been averaging about 30 to 45 second before that. When my turn came, I realized it was just us left. He'd bumped the pace, and I never noticed. We rode back together, just the 2 of us, taking 90 second pulls a piece. 10 miles of that into the wind. 2 miles out, the group caught up. They turned it on and dropped both of us. My fault for not paying attention; but that's what'll happen if you overtax yourself.
re: Pacelining ? Thanks for the informationpa rider
Feb 13, 2002 7:14 AM
I'm trying a different game plan this year and usually get drop when I pull too long and ride too fast for the group. I have a hard time determine what's a good average for the group and figure that'll come with experience.

I have a few friends who will pull for 20 to 30 minutes and bitch that nobody else pulls as long as they did.

I tell them if they don't like it then don't pull that long.

Thanks
As long as you can, but no moremr_spin
Feb 13, 2002 8:44 AM
If you are in a fast line and you fry yourself on the front, you will never catch back on when you pull off. And it's a terrible feeling to watch your line disappear in the distance after you did so much work! Never pull until you get tired. Always pull off with something left.

Even if you are riding in a line filled with whining, high testosterone pros, never do more than you can. Otherwise, you will fall off the back at some point, and they are not going to wait for you. If anyone complains, that's their problem. You are helping them, and they are better off with you than without you.

That said, I think getting dropped by a fast line is one of the rights of passage for many riders. I'm excluding casual riders here. Getting dropped is not fun, but hopefully it will make you more obsessive about training and riding. You have to know your limits before you can exceed them.
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullbartali
Feb 13, 2002 9:29 AM
The former Cat 3 cyclists I ride with pull for a few seconds. In other words, as soon as you get to the front, there is somebody immediately behind you to take over. The passing is initiated by the the last in line followed by the penultimate, etc.

This provides for the fastest pace as no one gets tired because they have pulled to long. This works well with as little as 4 cyclists.
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullEric16
Feb 13, 2002 9:47 PM
Yes, that would be a rotating paceline but I don't thing that's what PA's group is doing. Rotating lines are great for adding some intensity to a ride, ussually when heading back to town, but make it pretty hard to chat and, therefore, not a great option for the entire ride. Plus if you're doing it right people DO get tired despite limited time at the front (its hard to pull through at +30 mph!).

PA, it sounds like your group prefers the training ride/race style group ride as opposed to a more friendly, organized affair. This makes it hard to tell what is expected of you, but I would suggest to simply feel out the group and try to ride/pull/draft as they do...once you get a good feel of the group dynamic you'll know what to do in any situation. But certainly be careful not to overdo it at the front, it doesn't sound like they'd wait for you if you fall off the back!

ride on...
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullbartali
Feb 14, 2002 7:32 AM
Eric - Yes. There is definitely no desire to chat when we paceline like that. We do it for 12 miles in a 36 mile ride.
re: Pacelining ? How long should you pullRayBan
Feb 14, 2002 6:37 AM
The rule most of the people I ride with follow is pull
A) the same time as the others
B) as long as you can, if the riders your with are stronger than simply pull for a shorter period of time.
*Note* its the goal of the paceline to ride at the same smooth speed the entire time
C) If your obviously stronger than the others than it would be OK to pull a bit longer.It's much better to pull a bit longer if your stronger thn making the MISTAKE of increasing the speed and breaking up the group.