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info on old trek 460/help with budget rebuild(11 posts)

info on old trek 460/help with budget rebuildup_hiller
Feb 12, 2002 7:35 AM
I plan to adopt and hopefully revitalize an abandoned trek 460 in the near future. it has been "stored" outdoors for at least eight years and consequently is not in A+ condition (more like D- or F). i will need to replace/upgrade many of the parts on it in order to get it safe and ridable. i already know it will need new wheels/tires and bar. and of course i will have to replace brake pads (if not the entire brake system), all the cables, and who knows what else? i expect the drivetrain will be rusted and perhaps completely useless. i may be crazy for even trying, but i want a road bike and can't afford to buy a new one. there is an outside chance it might even be the right size!?!

can anyone tell me what these bikes were spec'd with when new? i believe this one is a sort of sky-blue with yellow lettering, if that may indicate its exact age (i'm guessing it's at least ten years old). know its seatpost/headtube diameters, BB size, and/or other vitals? also, does anyone have some old unwanted parts lying around that i might be able to put to use - and i mean ANYTHING? cruising the classifieds has been no help, because almost everything there is high end and/or new. please help me build the ultimate budget ride! speaking of, if there is any interest I'll be glad to post updates/final results as things come together. thanks in advance for any assistance.

matt
I have one of those old Treks!!!!Cima Coppi
Feb 12, 2002 7:52 AM
It is now my wifes bike, as I have out grown it. Here is what I can tell you about the specs of the 460. It came new with Suntour Cyclone components in the drivertrain, Dia Comp brake levers (aero) and calipers, SR stem and bar, Sugino cranks, and Rigida black anodized rims. I do not remember the hubs, but I can look at the bike when I get home.

The BB shell is english threaded, and the seat tube is the standard 27.2mm diameter. The stem is 1" quil mated to a threaded headset.

Hope this helps.

CC
showing my ignorance...up_hiller
Feb 13, 2002 5:15 AM
bear with me, guys! here are a few more road-newbie questions.

aero levers - what does this mean? something related to aerodynamics obviously, but what? will they only work with an "aero" bar? and then there are aero wheelsets. does that just mean the nice trick ones with a minimal number of bladed pokes and deep-V rims?

I expected a 1" threaded headset and quill stem. that's fine. luckily they are still pretty readily available.
glad to hear the seatpost is a 27.2. that means i already have a replacement. :)

english threading - i know one alternative is French, but what do these terms mean? are there any styles other than these two? on mountain bikes the BB has right-hand threads on drive side and left-hand threads on non-drive. is this english? i can't imagine a bike would ever be done any other way, since that method keeps the threads from being loosened duing use.

thanks for all your help and patience. matt
might be older than you thinkscottfree
Feb 12, 2002 7:58 AM
Into'd in '84 as an entry level racing bike. Short wheelbase. Had asymmetrical cranks, as I recall. It's steel, so if it's been outdoors all these years -- I dunno. As I mention below, I'm a believer in restoring old bikes, but this one may be beyond saving. And it's certainly not one you're going to want to restore to 'save money.' You're talking several hundreds here, to deck out a frame that may be unsound.
Are you ever lucky!Spoke Wrench
Feb 12, 2002 8:07 AM
There are WAY, WAY, WAY more people who have old road bikes they want to sell than there are people who want to buy one. Put the word out that you are interested in buying and see what turns up. It's a buyers market, Hiller, enjoy!
try hereJack S
Feb 12, 2002 8:08 AM
http://www.vintage-trek.com/

I turned mine into a FG.
what a cool site! thanks for the link. (nm)up_hiller
Feb 12, 2002 10:02 AM
internal frame rust alone makes it a tough restorationTig
Feb 12, 2002 8:51 AM
If the external parts are heavily rusted and this bike has been outside that many years, there could be some seriously bad corrosion inside the frame tubes. Removing the bottom bracket (if possible) will reveal some of the damage since water collects there from the seat and down tubes. If the bike is in an Arizona desert, well, that's a different story!
re: info on old trek 460/help with budget rebuildTim.
Feb 12, 2002 12:32 PM
I don't know if you would be interested or not, but I have one of these. I got it at a neighbor's yard sale about a year ago. I had intentions of turning it into a single speed, but it is still sitting where I left it when I brought it home. The only thing it needs is tires and a tune up. If you think you may be interested in it or in some of the parts let me know, I may be able to help you out. I think it is a '86 or '87 model.
hi Tim. i may be interested.up_hiller
Feb 13, 2002 5:07 AM
I won't actually receive the bike I spoke of for at least a week and a half, and until then I won't know how much work it needs or if it is really worth the effort. That said, i would almost certainly be interested in buying at least a bunch of the parts from your bike, if not the whole thing. Shipping, of course, would be a pain and expensive. Where do you live?

I know this should really be done by e-mail rather than in the forum, but i couldn't figure out how to get your address. mine is dumb502@hotmail.com in case the link is not working.

many thanks. matt
BB's, etc.Rusty McNasty
Feb 14, 2002 4:33 AM
Yes, an English threaded BB is a right/left threaded device, as are most BB's. Some BB's of 1970's vintage Franco-Belgian manufacture did use BB's which both sides thread right-handed. Lousy design, and it's not done that way anymore.
FWIW, you will need to strip that frame bare, then replace everything (headset included). First, check to make sure the frame is straight. You will need to check really close for corrosion, too. These were fairly lightweight frames (kinda whippy in the larger sizes, like mine), so it may not be worth saving. Figure on $500 or so for all the parts you will need. The final bike will probably weigh about 20 lbs.
I built a bike out of an old Trek 4?? a little over 1 year ago, using a lot of old Campy Record wheels (slightly used), new headset, BB, crankset, good used look pedals, cinelli bars, 105 brakes, brooks team pro saddle, Dura Ace deraileeurs (in friction mode, only), and good tubular rims and tires. With my lighter wheelset, the bike weighs slightly under 19 lbs, the heavier set with ambrosio rims and tufo s33 specials weighs in at about 19.5 lbs. The whole setup (frame, 2 wheelsets, parts, etc.) set me back about $750 all together, but the frame was pristine. YMMV.