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Serotta Legend Ti, Litespeed, or Merlin?(11 posts)

Serotta Legend Ti, Litespeed, or Merlin?Bontrager
Feb 7, 2002 7:18 PM
Interested in trying Ti this year. Have all three of these accessible though area LBS. Anyone have experience with direct comparisons between two or more of these frames?
Your question is too general. Litespeed makes a number ofbill
Feb 8, 2002 5:59 AM
modes at different price points. LS also will do custom, but it's probably prohibitive and unnecessary, given what else you can get custom. Serrotta is mostly custom. Merlin is sort of upscale LS. I don't know that much about Merlin, except that they're owned by Litespeed now and built in the same plant but maintain separate production facilities and use slightly different welding techniques.
In order to choose, you need to figure out a little more about what variables are important to you. Are you going to race? Do you have a budget? Is this your first bike or your third? Do you want the lightest? Stiffest? Most comfortable for long rides? The best bang for the buck out of these for a good all around bike, if you have no particular need to go custom, is probably LS Tuscany. For just a little more you can get into Serrotta.
Whatever floats your boat. The only way you'll go wrong with any of these choices is by spending money for features that you later realize are not important or desirable to you (for example, getting the lightest or stiffest and finding out that you really wanted the most comfortable).
They are all good choices.speterson
Feb 8, 2002 6:07 AM
If you can, ride all 3 of them. They will all ride differently. You are going to get the Serotta camp telling you about the custom sizing and that the Legend Ti rides like steel and that Ben Serotta walks on water for his customers. Others are going to tell you that Litespeed and Merlin are one and the same when in fact they really aren't. The Merlins coming out now are consistently better quality than the Massachusetts Merlins according to Tom Kellog from Spectrum. You will get the Litespeed bashers talking about poor quality and how there are so many of them out there and that Serotta, Merlin or Seven are more unique. So what? Being unique doesn't make the bike ride any better.
The bottom line is that these 3 manufacturers along with Seven and maybe Moots are probably the best Ti bike manufacturers in the world, so you can't really go wrong with any of them. Make your own decision on how they ride, look and the type of service you will get from the company.
You'll be happy no matter what decision you make.
Nice job. Yet another War of the Ti Brands is prevented! -NMTig
Feb 8, 2002 7:42 AM
This question is SO BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dre
Feb 8, 2002 7:43 AM
How many times does this get asked. They are all great bikes and you have way too much disposable cash if you can afford any of them. Just pick one that fits and be happy. If you have to have the biggest status symbol this year get the Serotta Ottrott--cost you over $4k for the frame alone--SUCKER!!!!!!
Bare Ti?jtolleson
Feb 8, 2002 7:50 AM
For me, the main appeal to Serotta when shopping was their paint options. If you are looking for a bare ti bike, I think that you can get as good a bike through Merlin or Seven without being as spendy.

It also isn't clear what kind of riding you want to do. For a century long comfort ride, both the Serotta ti and the LS Classic will do the job. If you want an aggressive race worthy bike, it is hard to be the Ultimate, and the Tuscany and Vortex both offer something in between.

Then factor in how much you care about image. Is Serotta "cooler" than LS? To me, absolutely. Is it a "poser" label? To some people.
what did you get? anything?(nm)
Feb 8, 2002 3:46 PM
I went Indy Fabjtolleson
Feb 8, 2002 5:56 PM
Just ordered on Tuesday, in fact, and with the custom paint I'm looking 6 weeks before arrival.

I can't say that I chose the "better bike." It had a three fold appeal, I guess: 1) the more esoteric name (shallow, I know, but Serottas are pretty popular here); 2) an in-house custom paint shop that will do anything you want; 3) about $400 cheaper than the custom Legend ti.

Then there was that intangible of calling the 800 number and getting "Eddie" who would not shut up and clearly loved his work. So, there it is!

The Crown Jewel Ti. Right now it is ordered with Chorus, but I'm thinking about switching the build out, depending... just needed to get the frame ordered and in the works!

(PS -- 55 cm Litespeed Catalyst for sale...)
Probably no right answerpmf1
Feb 8, 2002 7:56 AM
Litespeed and Merlin are made in the same factory, but on different lines. They are not the same bike. Merlins have 2-pass welds that look prettier, but are no better than the 1-pass LS welds. Anyone who tells you that the quality of a ti bike can be determined by how the welds look is mistaken.

Serotta defnitely has more snob appeal. People who own them rave about them. From what I understand, its practically a custom bike. Same goes with Seven (although for a straight guage ti bike, these seem way over-priced to me). Most people do not need a custom bike, but there sure isn't anything wrong with one.

Litespeed has less snob appeal mainly because like a Trek, there are so many of them around.

A few years ago, after I bought my then fiance a $6000 engagement ring I was in the market for a ti bike (dammit, I have to spend this much for a silly ring ... I'm getting a new bike ... and I'm going all out). I was seriously considering Seven and Serotta. I ended up buying a LS Ultimate frame and fork on sale from Labicicletta for almost half price. The cheap part of me couldn't resist (well, we did get C-40's on the honeymoon). Its been a great bike (I like stiff and aggressive), but I wouldn't pay retail for one. Everytime I see that frame being sold for $2600, I cringe. If I had to go retail, I'd probably have bought the Serotta just because it is custom and because its more unique.

None of these bikes will disappoint you.
re: Serotta Legend Ti, Litespeed, or Merlin?grzy
Feb 8, 2002 9:47 AM
Serotta, besides being available in custom sizes & colors, offers something unique. The tube set is pretty amazing in terms of taper, butting and bending and many feel this is what gives it such a great ride quality. Most of the other bikes just use straight tubing. Compared to a LS Vortex I think that the Legend is a smoother ride, but I'm way biased since I own a Legend. I have riden a Seven and a Holland. Ultimately go for the one that touches your soul - even if it's just imagined - you want a bike that makes you get out and ride more and to hell with what other people think. Afterall, isn't this what it's really all about? FWIW - Not too many people get rid of their Legends for one of the other bikes. Look into the Serotta demo program or check for specials or on the owners BB for deals on new and used frames.
re: Serotta Legend Ti, Litespeed, or Merlin?agilis
Feb 8, 2002 3:31 PM
I have a merlin and love it i have a litespeed mountain bike and love it. I have a ridden a friends serotta and loved it. I love ti.