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frames and trainers(15 posts)

frames and trainersslug
Feb 2, 2002 8:11 PM
a few posts ago, somebody said to only use beater bikes on windtrainers because of the stresses on the frame. does anyone know if titanium frames can take the stress, or do i really have to get another bike for the trainer? i already have a road(titanium) and a mt.(aluminum) bike, and another would really take a lot of space.
re: frames and trainersGuesswho
Feb 2, 2002 9:10 PM
Trainers will not damage your frame if you have good form. I mean, because the back wheel is locked, if you don't twist frame from side to side as if you were pulling up on handlebars like when you climb, the stress on the frame will be tolerable. Keep your pedaling form steady and limit twisting and rocking.
The sweat will do your bike in sooner than the stress on your frame. If it isn't ti that is. Even so, cover the headset area as sweat can get in there. Rollers will have no stress on the frame, but have no resistance.
Really? Rollers have no resistance?Lone Gunman
Feb 3, 2002 9:14 AM
Then what is that burning sensation I feel after a 30 second sprint in my thighs?
I agree, go with rollersSEMTEC
Feb 3, 2002 12:53 PM
No9thing simulates real riding as closely as quality small diameter drum rollers such as the Kreitlers. Stationary bikes allow you to cheat significantly. They require no balancing of the bike throughout the pedal stroke and they aessentially allow you to cheat during your workout. Rollers not only build strength and stamina, moreimportantly they develop smooth pedal stroke and proper balanced riding form throughout the stroke which is essential to take your riding to the next level.

Stationary bikes are find for getting warmed up before an event but I would hardly call them a very useful training tool.
Feb 3, 2002 11:08 AM
Rollers definately have resistance, especially if your using the smaller diameter rollers. You can also add a resistance unit to most rollers now, if your need more. The overall feel of the rollers is more like real riding. The resistance in most fluid trainers (although real) does not have the same "feel" as going up a hill the load ratio is different verses a "wind" trainer or rollers. Now, having said that, trainers do have there place. But, if it's a decision to do one or the other, definatly go with rollers. The bike handling skills and pedal stroke skills cannot be argued. The only things you can't do on rollers are, standing sprints (the bike can just come off, although I'm sure with LOTS of practice you could do it) and raising the front of the rollers to simulate a climbing position.

One other benefit of a trainer (only on the higher priced models) is power output measurment. Depending how into your training you actually are, some sort of power (wattage) meter can be very helpful in analyzing your overall output. However, there are units avail that go directly onto your bike that suffice...

Do the rollers, you won't be sorry.
re: frames and trainersPjkad
Feb 3, 2002 8:48 AM
I have a Seven Ti and checked with them before using it on my trainer. They said Ti is beefy enough to withstand stresses on the trainer...I'm using mine that way.
re: frames and trainersjswhern
Feb 3, 2002 12:12 PM
Using a wind trainer will not damage your frame unless you bought your bike from K-mart. I agree in regards to proper technique when using a rear wheel trainer. Also, rollers do have resistance. Your own gearing, resistance add-ons, and imagination such as using a towel under the front or rear drums or both for that matter and shazam !!! Resistance. You will be surprised and your spin and technique will not be compromised. Hone in on your skills and stay away from pedal mashing side to side duck riding.
Go with rollers, it is a much more natural feel and standing on them is a blast.
re: frames and trainersWoof the dog
Feb 3, 2002 8:38 PM
last time i checked they sold pig iron bikes at K-mart. Since they make them from what appears to be lead pipes, i highly doubt that a titanium Litespeed could handle high torque in the trainer better than these great K-mart bikes. LOL

Woof, the guess who?
re: frames and trainersslug
Feb 3, 2002 12:58 PM
thanks for the replies. i have a litespeed classic so it should be pretty sturdy. thanks for the info on rollers, but my handling is ok for what i do, and a trainer is all i really need. plus riding indoors is already mind-numbing, and a loss of concentration on rollers would be disastrous in my small apartment. i will probably have a wheel built from old parts to use with the trainer
Ok, OK, rollers offerGuesswho
Feb 3, 2002 3:03 PM
some "resistance", but I was comparing them to trainers and they are better suited for maintaining form rather than heavy resistance. Sorry to test everyone's manliness. The Litespeed Classic is a excellent frame and you should have no problems with durability. Just get a crappy skewer to use in the trainer as to preserve your good one.
Feb 4, 2002 10:13 AM
I'm sorry to shout, but you just don't know what your'e missing. With rollers, you learn the answers to questions about your pedal stroke, etc., that you don't know exist. Make up your own mind about what you want out of life, of course, but don't underestimate what you don't know. Rollers changed MY life that much. They really and truly did, and still do.
re: frames and trainerskrishna
Feb 3, 2002 6:19 PM
... but what about grooved headsets? Per A. Baker's _Smart Cycling_ "The headset, with the bike always 'going' straight, gets grooved." He goes on to recommend using a "spare" bike... Is this just bunk, then?
re: frames and trainersDaveG
Feb 3, 2002 7:01 PM
I use my $5 garage sale Raleigh on my trainer. I never lose any sleep worrying about bending chainstays, dripping sweat in the headset or torquing chi-chi wheels. Also saves time because its permanently in the trainer.
A vote for a trainer, unless you're way too serious.cory
Feb 4, 2002 9:40 AM
In my experience, everybody's right--rollers do offer a more realistic experience. The problem I have is that, since ALL indoor riding bores my shorts off, I can't sustain the concentration I need to ride rollers. As you said, a lapse can lead to disaster. On the trainer, at least, I can watch Jeopardy or even read while I just mindlessly hammer away. It's still boring, but I can make myself do a lot more of it...
A vote for a trainer, unless you're way too serious.slug
Feb 4, 2002 8:25 PM
exactly. bill up there seems to have found god while on the rollers! i have raced before, way back in the past. even did very well in big training rides in orange county, CA. but nowadays, the worsening elitism i've been seeing lately has turned me off to even group rides up here in the bay area. so now i just enjoy myself, ride when i feel like it, not get too concerned about pedaling style(which i think is pretty good - 90-100 rpm), and just improve at my own pace. thanks to all again.