|GT or Trek?||jmtas|
Jan 29, 2002 6:30 PM
|I want a good all round frame for sprinting and climbing, but also all-around riding. Should I get a Trek 2300 or build up a GT ZR1? Both fit based on my measurements, though I haven't had a chance to ride either.|
|Don't buy either one unless you've had a chance to ride one. nm||Elefantino|
Jan 29, 2002 6:58 PM
|Agree with above||Troyboy|
Jan 30, 2002 8:09 AM
|Those are two so very common bikes that large stores should have both to ride. While they might sound good now, you might hate being on both.|
|ZR 1 frame $399 at Supergo||Troyboy|
Jan 30, 2002 8:23 AM
|Man, I start to get nervous when stuff is that cheap. I would always wonder why. I've always paid much or much much much more for frames. Perhaps it's just me.|
|ZR 1 frame $399 at Supergo||KEN2|
Jan 30, 2002 9:04 AM
|It's a fine USA-made frame, ridden in the last two years' TDF. I have one and workmanship and paint are first-rate. GT/Pacific just had to fire-sale them to get some $$$.|
|Made in USA?||cyclaholic|
Jan 30, 2002 10:00 AM
|I seriously doubt this. I've read the Supergo literature and they say absolutely nothing about that frame being built in the US. The cheap price has to be a result of cheaper manufacturing costs in Taiwan.
The Corporation may have a US headquarters, but I would bet that sucker is made in Taiwan.
Where's the factory?
|Made in USA?||Brent|
Jan 30, 2002 4:52 PM
|I have this frame. Has the MADE IN THE USA sticker right there on the EASTON tubes.|
|It's an interesting case,||TJeanloz|
Jan 30, 2002 5:11 PM
|I'm not saying that this is the case with this particular bike, BUT it is a common (and legal) practice to put a Made In USA sticker on a bike that was welded elsewhere. How? The sticker goes to the country who added the most value to the frames, and these days the mfgr is welding bikes in Taiwan and painting them in the USA- and then claiming that the paint adds more value than the welding (probably true) and justifies the Made In USA.
The global economy is a beautiful thing.
|Where's the factory?||cyclaholic|
Jan 30, 2002 6:56 PM
|That's why I asked where the factory is.
I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, knocking bikes made in Taiwan. I am just bringing this up because someone made the "Made in USA" claim concerning this GT frame. Schwinn, for example, was an American company but they made many frames in factories placed in Taiwan.
The Supergo GT ad is not misleading. They make no such claim that the frame is "Made in USA".
Now, their ads about the Scattante, on the other hand, are very misleading. One must read very carefully...
|does it matter?||hmmmmmmmmmm|
Jan 31, 2002 5:17 AM
|Would you rather have a frame welded by robots or some half-loaded college dropout making a minimum wage?|
|It matters to me||cyclaholic|
Jan 31, 2002 6:25 AM
|It matters to me where the factory is.
It matters to me who is working on the bike and how much they are being paid.
It matters to me, since a highly skilled human welder will do a much better job than any repetitive robot.
It matters to me when people claim that a frame is "made in USA" when it really isn't.
It matters to me when people are deceived.
|ZR 1 frame $399 at Supergo||kyroadie|
Jan 30, 2002 10:04 AM
|The reason why is Schwinn went bankrupt and Schwinn owns GT. Stores are closing out both lines. There have been some great prices on both product lines over the last few months.|| |