|Was this the right move? (long)||Woof the dog|
Jan 26, 2002 12:26 AM
|Hi board, the following is an email I sent to one of my group. Me, him and others are on a listserve to make getting in touch with each other easier. I would like to know whether I am correct in my conclusions (see content), whether it is a good thing I sent it just to him although I was thinking about posting it for everyone else to read at first, plus what are the consequences. What should I expect his reaction to be. He is a nice kid, but you can never be too sure with people. I doubt any of you here know where this all takes place, and if someone does, please keep it down and don't pass it on, people! Thats a big favor!
Here is a message that I got from the listserve. Actually prior to that I sent the wheelie pic that I thought was interesting (yeah, the one from ride shots gallery) and a guy I here call Spike sent something else. I changed all the names in this and the rest of the writings of course:
Although this message goes to all it is only for a few. Can we please cut down on the swear filled complaining e-mails and the random bike or non bike related Woof's e-mails. I may be speaking for myself but really, do I need to hear Spike complain and see some wheelie on a road bike? Please let this NOT spawn a list serve brawl.
Bob "prefers tasteful and useful e-mails" Smith
My reply went out only to this Bob and not the whole listserve:
Hi Bob, here is a message I wrote that I was going to post on the listserve for everyone to read. I really don't want to do it for a number of reasons, that is why I am sending this only to you personally. I sincerely hope you will not find the contents too offensive and our friendship won't suffer as a result. I have the deepest respect for you and wish you only the best, that is why I am writing this. Read it carefully and maybe you will understand my point of view. I understand where you are coming from on the issue, yet, I think you do not quite grasp just what listserve means. Pardon me for sounding like a lecturer. I don't expect your reply to this email and if you truly understand both of us should forget this all has ever been written. You and I are reasonable people, so lets stay that way!
I will be frank because some people just don't get it. We need to get it out in the open right here and right now, solve it once and for all. I REALLY HATE being a person to do it, but I must do it nonetheless to make some individuals better people. I hope you all will think why I wrote this before reacting. Thinking is good for us, here it goes.
It is my right to send what I find useful and tasteful to a listserve. It is YOUR CHOICE to open and read it OR NOT. If you find my emails tasteless and useless, delete them without reading (don't worry, I won't know). You have to realize that being on this, or any other listserve implies getting various types of information, and it is YOUR job to weed out (delete) the unnecessary. It also means having patience and a thick skin. I can't believe I need to explain such basics to you!!! IF you really want to be an immature asshole, then tell it to my face that you really HATE reading my mail and that those two extra lines in your mailbox make your life ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE, and I will never EVER send anything to this listserve. If you are not like that, then you gonna have to suck it up and live with my, Spike's, or anyone else's emails. OK? I, for one, find his emails somewhat entertaining and my pictures I sometimes send imperative to having a jolly good time. So don't you, or anybody else, ever be this listserve's moral police department! Go smash a wall a couple of times instead of looking for scapegoats here if you are feeling down. What you think shouldn't be on this listserve may differ for someone else. Is there a specific list for the allowed material? "Tasteful and usefull" my a$$! Being a listserve-content-Nazi only turns people away from you. Do you know whats it like to hear that you are tasteless and useless? respect respect respect...and keep opinions to yourself - it is a very important skill to have.
But don't let this ruin our friendships :-) After all, its not like I am sending hundreds of emails full of what all would find offensive sick pictures. It is an immense difference between an occasional email with a comment/picture from a person you all know VS. a systematic spamming with a sexist, racist material from a stranger.
Woof "apparently tasteless and useless" the dog
Aslo: agree, disagree?
Woof the dog.
|What's tasteless and useless about....||I Love Shimano|
Jan 26, 2002 4:28 AM
|...the wheelie picture?
Tell your buddy to shove it up his _$$
|It's a Dog's Life!||Jon Billheimer|
Jan 26, 2002 6:56 AM
|Assuming you aren't sending racist or obscene material, you're right. The boundaries of taste are vague at best. But I think most people know what is socially acceptable and what is not. Think of it this way. Don't communicate anything over the internet you wouldn't in person to a similar audience.
For those with over-refined sensibilities, you're right, don't read the e-mails. With respect to the tasteless flaming that's gone on on this board from time to time, I finally taught myself that very lesson. Some posts I never read knowing they'll be offensive to me in some way. A lot of subjects I don't open simply for lack of interest. If one is going to be an obsessive internet voyeur, then one has to take the bad with the good.
Just remember, Woof, life is hard, then some ingrate of an owner trades you in at the SPCA for a newer model!!
|I think it depends...||TJeanloz|
Jan 26, 2002 8:48 AM
|I think a listserve has a useful purpose, but that purpose is degraded when it isn't properly used. The scope of a listserve is generally quite specific. If the point of the list is to disseminate specific information to a group, then relevant information belongs, irrelevant things do not. It can be a pretty big grey area.
For example. When I was a young collegiate cyclist, our University team had a listserve for team business. There were a few more than 200 people on the list. It was the perfect means to organize a group ride, sell a bike, figure out who was driving who to what race etc. etc...But there was one kid on the list who must have spent his day downloading everything he thought was funny from the internet and sending it to the list. There would be like 5 jokes of the day and three funny pictures and every urban legend that ever hit the internet. The material just wasn't relevant; if the jokes had been "you know you're a bike racer when..." they might have been acceptable. But they weren't. So all 200+ people were getting a flood of non-bike racing email from the bike racing list, and it just got super annoying.
The way a list should work is the like list I was on for the Rocky Mtn Conference results- our conference director e-mailed the results to the list, if there was a concern about accuracy, it went out to the list- but I would have been pretty upset if some yahoo from Wyoming started sending jokes to the list.
I think the point of most lists is for information. If you have a joke, a funny picture, or other useless trifle, send it only to the people you think will enjoy it- not a whole group of people who might not think it's funny or relevant.
|Spam is spam.||fritz the cat|
Jan 26, 2002 9:44 AM
|Whether it comes from a dog or other mammal.|
|good one!!! :-) (nm)||Woof the dog|
Jan 26, 2002 9:56 AM
|but i thought spam was ham! commercials... freakin' liars!||merckx56|
Jan 26, 2002 7:30 PM