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FSA cranks with Record 10sp???(17 posts)

FSA cranks with Record 10sp???nellie
Jan 24, 2002 9:33 PM
After much thought and deliberation, I am switching over to the 'dark side' :-). I just bought a Campy Record 10sp grouppo for my new IF frame. I may make one switch however, I like the idea of an all carbon set up and am considering the carbon FSA cranks. Has anyone out there tried it and what are your thoughts? Is there any "performance" differences (i.e. smooth, accurate, etc.) between the FSA set up versus the Record cranks and rings?

If there are no real differences, i think i may do it - but i don't really want to have to sacrifice.

thanks for the input.
re: FSA cranks with Record 10sp???CT1
Jan 24, 2002 9:57 PM
The Record cranks are very sweet. I SERIOUSLY doubt there is ANY advantage with the FSA cranks. More likely you will regret spending "extra" money on them.

If you must spend some extra money get some extra cassettes or fancier wheels.

Just ride baby!
JohnG
Why not?DMoore
Jan 24, 2002 10:10 PM
I have Record groups on 4 bikes - 2 9 speed, 2 10 speed. One bike is Record 9 drivetrain, except for FSA cranks, DA chainrings and Phil Wood Magnium b/b. Why? It's a race bike, and I was looking for grams. It's an older 60 cm Litespeed Ultimate, total weight is 17 lbs even.

The shifting with the FSA crank is just fine. I can't feel any difference at all between it and another bike that's full Record, crank and all. The weight savings isn't a bunch, but there is a bit of savings and I managed to buy the crank for very little more than the Record crank would have cost anyway.

I haven't used a 9 speed crank with a 10 speed system, but there have been many reports to indicate that you can do so with no problem. If I'm not mistaken, FSA advertises that they make a crank which is compatible with Campy chainring bolt spacing. You could then use Campy 10 speed rings, and that should solve the problem (if any) completely.
I disagree,TJeanloz
Jan 25, 2002 8:11 AM
I think the Campagnolo Record (aluminum) crank and bottom bracket is the weakest link in the whole groupset. (If you're talking Record carbon crank, ignore this- they appear pretty sweet if the nasty rumors aren't true).

The square taper bb isn't as stiff as you might want it to be, and the 5th chainring bolt behind the arm is good looking, but a sub-optimal design.
I disagree,CT1
Jan 25, 2002 8:44 AM
The square taper Record BB/crank has always worked just perfecto for me. I'm only 148# but I can generate an upshift on some frames I've ridden so I know I'm not a torque wuss.

I also think your recommendation of the new Carbon cranks is WAY premature. "Look pretty sweet"..... If it's failing, how can it be "sweet"?

Anyway, in the big picture all of this obsession on HW stuff is pretty funny. Thinking that 50-100 gms or any subjective reduction in crank flex will make ANY difference is totally ludicrous. You'll still going to get your assed kicked by BETTER riders on crappier hw any day of the week.

JohnG
RE: Carbon CranksTJeanloz
Jan 25, 2002 8:53 AM
As I said, if the failure rumors are not true, they look pretty sweet. If they are true, the cranks don't look so cool after all.

As for the square taper, the design is perfectly good, until you see a splined BB, at which point you know that the spline is a much better system. It isn't a tiny advantage for the spline- splined systems are that much better, both in terms of stiffness and durability with cranks.

Let's face it, those of us buying Record don't do it to beat the guy next to us. If that was the goal, we'd buy Chorus. Record is about having the coolest, best stuff- not being faster. Carbon derrailleur plates aren't any faster than aluminum. While I think that every other piece of the Record group is the best in the industry (with the possible exception of the chain), there are better crank/bb combos out there- starting with Dura-Ace.
I couldn't agree more (nm)BipedZed
Jan 25, 2002 8:59 AM
If the square taper design is inferior...Cima Coppi
Jan 25, 2002 11:00 AM
Why then is Campy still using it?? Does Shimano have a patent on the splined B/B? Is does not take a rocket scientist to understand why a splined interface is more rigid than the square taper. Campy's engineers must understand this.

One would think with all of the R&D at Campy's disposal, they would design a crankarm/bottom bracket interface that is far superior to the square taper design.

Let's here your take on this, Oh Knowledgeable One.

CC
Yes,TJeanloz
Jan 25, 2002 11:07 AM
Shimano does have a patent on the splined pattern that they gaurd pretty jealously (though they have begun licensing it). Campy would need to come up with a different spline pattern (which is entirely likely). I think we will see a Campy splined system in the next year or two. Honestly, I have no idea why it's taken them this long- except maybe for the Campy desire to make things backward compatible. I thought we'd see it at the same time they debuted the carbon crank, but that didn't happen.

I have no idea why they're holding out- except for tradition's sake.
An optimum redesign for the splined B/B is...Cima Coppi
Jan 25, 2002 1:08 PM
One that is similar to the campy cassette body. This means there is only one way to fit the crank arm on the splined B/B due to the shape of the splines. This would allow for a design that guarantees a fit of the crank arms to be at exactly 180 degrees from each other, instead of having to eye-ball the fit.

Perhaps this could be a way for Campy to patent their own design. Of course, they'll probably be sued anyway.

What do you think?

CC
An optimum redesign for the splined B/B is...TJeanloz
Jan 25, 2002 1:24 PM
It would be pretty easy to design the spindle so that the crank could only fit on one way. I'm not sure this is really a problem, unless you had a LOT of splines- with 8 or 10 splines it's pretty obvious when you're not spot-on. Of course, I'm sure home mechanics (and some shop mechanics) would find a way to jam the cranks on wrong, ruining the crank in the process, and then complain about the poor design.

I'm sure they have something in the pipeline, and if they don't, it's only 8 more years until Shimano's patent runs out...
yes and nobn
Jan 25, 2002 8:31 PM
Shimano has the patent on their spline pattern... there is an attempt at a non-Shimano standardized spline design (ISIS), that RaceFace, Truvativ, and maybe some others have begun to use in the MTB world. The reviews have been generally good, but mixed.
re: FSA cranks with Record 10sp???mackgoo
Jan 25, 2002 4:37 AM
Bro, you came into the light.
can I get an Amen brother? (nm)grandemamou
Jan 25, 2002 6:16 AM
re: FSA cranks with Record 10sp???Troyboy
Jan 25, 2002 9:02 AM
No problems here. I use FSA's on my DA bike currently but sold a set from a Campy setup a while back before knowing I'd have another Rec10 setup so soon. Both sets worked flawlessly.
uhh...kanekikapu
Jan 25, 2002 1:13 PM
well if you are interest in an all carbon setups (read: you're rich enough), why not consider the new campy carbon crank? they are expensive but i'd rather used campy stuffs than FSA's>>> they are not bad but i would make sure everything on the drive train are from one compay<<< less problems.
re: FSA cranks with Record 10sp???mackgoo
Jan 25, 2002 7:19 PM
You may be interested in this. It's from Campyonly.
January 25, 2002--Earlier rumors about trouble between component maker FSA and Campagnolo are not true. FSA president Doug wrote us to clarify the situation:
"I'm Doug from Full Speed Ahead and I'm the president of the company. Interesting rumor concerning FSA versus Campagnolo but not true. I am a big Campagnolo fan and have had a long business relationship as well as personal friendships with many of the people at Campagnolo. We don't have any interest in causing them any problems. ...
Anyway, your readers will be interested to know that we are shipping our Carbon Pro and Team Issue cranks in 10 speed so they can have carbon cranks for their bikes."
Check out FSA's lineup at their website: www.fullspeedahead.com