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Okay. How about George Hincapie, then?(15 posts)
|Okay. How about George Hincapie, then?||Sintesi at home|
Jan 23, 2002 9:38 PM
|No one seemed to give a poop about my David Millar question. So....Did George get the help he needs to win a couple classics this season? The new guys I believe are Michael Barry, Tom Boonen, David Clinger, Floyd Landis, Chann McRae, Gianpaolo Mondini, and Pavel Padrnos. Clinger I hear could help but I don't know so much about the other guys.
|re: Okay. How about George Hincapie, then?||tr|
Jan 23, 2002 10:12 PM
|Anyone good enough to be a pro speaks for itself. But, in my humble opinion USPostal passed on quite a number of good classics riders. And guess what, Domo didn't!!!!!!!!! And following this we hear Lance is going to give George some support in the classics. The race George is made to win is Paris-Roubaix, which i doubt seriously Lance will ride (yes, i know all the reasons). I really feel George could again find himself without as much support as most of the other favorites. Johan said himself that the team lost the race on the first pave last year. That can somewhat be interpreted as the team blew it on their position early in the race. Could be many reasons for that.|
|George is screwed...||I Love Shimano|
Jan 24, 2002 1:11 AM
|..as long as he is with USPS. That is a pure stage racing team. He's better of trying to win TdF stages than classics. Either way, he will be having a hard time since EVERYONE will be riding for Big Tex.|
|Makes you wonder why he renewed his contract.||Sintesi|
Jan 24, 2002 6:07 AM
|Isn't he locked up for three more years with this team? I don't think he'll get any chance at the TdF either since US postal doesn't seem to get involved with any breakaways. I might be wrong (somebody correct me please)but the last time he came close to top three in a stage race was in 98.
I think everyone acknowledges that George was the strongman of Paris-Robaix and he's finished 4th twice now but USP was short some support riders. They said they were going to back up Georgie this year but I just don't see any euro-names I recognize. And definitely no hot shot classics riders. Of course, J. Bruyneel knows a lot more about cycling talent than I do.
|He could win, but will he?||McAndrus|
Jan 24, 2002 4:55 AM
|George could win almost any classic but will he? The issue of team support is probably the determining factor here. If USPS wanted George to win Paris Roubaix they'd recruit someone like Ludo Dierksens or Steffan Weisseman (sp?), not Landis and McCrae (no offense, guys).
I reckon he has an excellent chance in the semi-classics like Gent Wevelgem or Fleche Wallonne but as for the Big Souffle of PB? It's inspiring and also saddening to watch him put in Herculean efforts at PB every year.
Jan 24, 2002 7:19 AM
|An amazing bike handler and basic strong guy. May not be a household name but the guy can ride. I'd look for him to be a big help to George.|
Jan 24, 2002 7:46 AM
|George won't win a couple, but he should have the help he needs to win one. All I can do is wait and see. I'd love to see George do well, but it doesn't really matter to me. I just want to see a good race.|
|Well, he's no Zabel or Dekker that's for sure.||Sintesi|
Jan 24, 2002 9:01 AM
|But he did win G-W last year and he definitely would have had a chance at P-R if he had more help. It's possible, I'm hopeful.|
|Giving a poop about George||Elefantino|
Jan 24, 2002 8:55 AM
|Boy, there sure are a lot of pessimists on this board.
USPS's offseason hires were made for two reasons: 1) to shore up the holes from TdF team defections, and 2) to improve the Classics team. Bruyneel did both.
To help Hincapie, he got some big-time help:
Mondini, who won a stage of the TdF in 1999 and has 13 victories in his career, including 3 in 1999 with Cantina Tollo
Padrnos, an accomplished Classics rider who did grunt work for the last two years for Saeco. He's also a good climber who helped Paolo Salvodelli nearly win the next-to-last stage (the rainy one) of last year's Giro
Clinger, an absolute star in the making who has cut his teeth in seven classics over the last two years
Boonen, who was voted Belgium's best young rider last year and won the Zelik-Galmaarden one-day race.
Bruyneel feels that this is the strongest Classics team USPS has had. I hope he's not blowing wind up our ... um, bibs.
PS: Hey Sin, did you see the story about Millar becoming the next Cipollini? Seems he's a babe magnet.
|Giving a poop about George||Jon Billheimer|
Jan 24, 2002 9:18 AM
|This may be the best Classics team Postal has put together, but that's not saying much when compared to the likes of Domo, Mapei, Rabobank. I hope the support and the commitment are there, but I think on both counts they're lukewarm. If not for his comfort with being on an American team and his loyalty to Lance, I think Hincapie would've (and should've) been gone last year. There certainly are top classics teams that have been courting him.|
|Domo? Mapei? Rabobank?||Elefantino|
Jan 24, 2002 12:17 PM
|It's a choice that Bruyneel and Thom Wiesel have made: to win the Tour de France and "try" to be competitive in the Classics. This year they're "trying" harder for the Classics, but the focus, as always, is the Tour, which is why they got who they got.
Domo swept Paris-Roubaix last year. Postal won the Tour. Don't think every other team in the world wouldn't trade the former for the latter in a heartbeat.
And George? He won Ghent, and also the SFGP. And he got paid a lot of money, plus endorsements, because of his association with Postal. That has to factor into his thinking, don't you think?
|maybe we're over looking someone obvious here.||Sintesi at home|
Jan 24, 2002 4:34 PM
|George's secret weapon?
Of course Heras is probably rolling his eyes at this.
Thanks for the scouting report Elefantino. Exactly what I was looking for. It's good to hear a little positive there for ol Georgie. Where did you get those facts anyway? Can you clue me in?
No I didn't see that about Millar. But it doesn't surprise me a bit. Those punk rock t-shirts and bug-eyed Oakley specs he likes to wear? He's a little fashion conscious but I think it's cool. Somebody's got to do it. Babe magnet? That explains the Mono. : )
I'm going to throw in a prediction. GH rips the US Pro Champ jersey off Freddie Rodriguez' back!!!
|maybe we're over looking someone obvious here.||Elefantino|
Jan 24, 2002 9:24 PM
|I get my facts from a guy in a tan overcoat who stands on the corner and says "Psssst!" a lot.
Actually, I get them from all over. Cycling News, The Daily Peleton (soon to be RIP), various pro cycling newsgroups, bulletin boards, team pages. When you sit around on your ... um... recliner all day, you have plenty of time to scour the Web for useless factoids.
|Agree with Elaphantino||allervite|
Jan 24, 2002 8:50 PM
|What's all this Domo hype. Yea they kicked butt at Paris Roubaix, but where were they for the rest of the classics. They Sucked! The only other win they had was by a stage race rider: Virenque.
This is a good core of classics riders: Hincapie, Armstrong, Mondidni, Padrnos, Clinger, Boonen, Van develde, and lets not forget Matt White. He is a great classics rider and had a very good classics season in 2000. I will be surprised if they do not win a World Cup race. They will definately be in the mix.
I predict two World Cup wins in 2002.
|Agree with Elaphantino||tr|
Jan 24, 2002 10:23 PM
|For that matter, were was USPS in all the classics. Take a look at some of the lineups of the other teams. The other teams have far more experience. The postal lineup has armstrong wins and George's win. There were experienced classics riders available and they really didn't sign one of them. I certainly wish they had, but they didn't.|| |