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Technique for riding through corners or curves?(9 posts)

Technique for riding through corners or curves?flyinbowlofmilk
Jan 20, 2002 5:29 PM
I was riding with a small group at a LBS today. We proceeded to ride out. But when I got to the 1st corner I went to the inside while everybody went wide. So as the ride progress we come to another corner in where I rode out wide and then came to the apex of corner. My question is as follow. What is the proper way to ride through a corner or corves?
re: Technique for riding through corners or curves?Scot_Gore
Jan 20, 2002 5:55 PM
I don't have the magazine anymore, but as I recall there is an article in Bicycling on this very subject in the issue that's on the stands right now.

Scot
re: Technique for riding through corners or curves?guido
Jan 20, 2002 10:40 PM
Short wheel based racing bikes can corner really fast. The trick is to lean the bike over, but the rider remains more upright, pressing down on the outside pedal, inside pedal all the way up, to hold the wheels on the ground, so that they will change direction quickly without losing traction. The considerable weight of the rider is still relatively vertical, and exerts downward pressure on the tires. This isn't true if the rider leans his body the same as the bike. Then he's taking weight off the tires.

Once this technique is mastered, corners can be negotiated in a series of little dives at faster speeds than possible taking the turn in a continuous arc. The outward centrifugal force can be conquered simply by leaning the bike sharply into the turn while stamping on the outside pedal, then immmediately straightening the curve to regain your balance.

Wouldn't try this in a group! Everyone has to hold a predictable curve so as not to interrupt the flow of the other riders. But inside is faster than outside, so your techiniques can be different.
re: Technique for riding through corners or curves?brider
Jan 21, 2002 10:56 AM
What guido is saying is technically correct, and is referred to as "countersteering". One point left out, however, is that while you're applying pressure to the outside pedal (as you would when skiing), you apply downward pressure to the INSIDE hand. Davis Phinney was famous for this technique, and he taught this at his camps.
re: Technique for riding through corners or curves?hrv
Jan 21, 2002 8:30 AM
Same subject came up on the racing board:
just starting out "criterium cornering" 1/12/02 7:25pm
re: Technique for riding through corners or curves?Woof the dog
Jan 21, 2002 5:13 PM
I don't know about you guys with all this weighin' on one foot, pushing with that hand, leaning the bike this way or that way, you all confuse me and I am tired of trying to figure it all out. I did at least five crits where i led through plenty of corners. Apparently I did everything just right cause I was always either winning, in a winning breakaway or finishing with the main pack, nope never got dropped in any crits since I've started racing.

Say you gotta turn left w/ another 50 people behind you. I swing way to the right, stop pedaling, inside foot up, lean with the bike as much as I feel is safe, shoot through the corner as close to the curb, ride out, accelerate. I really don't get any of that pushing down on the outside foot, pushing with the inside hand bullshitt. I find that if I think about pushing down with my foot, my bike feels like it leans further and further away from me until I basically crash, ok? This leaning of the bike while staying upright works ONLY for slower/less extreme corners in my experience. I never see anyone doing a maximum lean while clearly trying to stay upright. This pushing on the outside foot is something you do naturally seems like. If you go fast through the corner you gotta lean with the bike, i think. It is also kind of natural to deside whats the fastest way to get around a corner - lean the bike, lean with the bike, lean yourself without a bike. Leaning just the bike works for slower speeds, leaning with the bike works for fast ones, leaning just your body works for really long shallow turns that may not even seem like turns really. The best way to learn stuff like this is to do races where you are in the middle of the pack and you have to lean with everyone else at the same angle. Reading about cornering has not been all too helpful.

The only advice that made sense to me was this: when you are about to lean as much as you can to make that corner, push your bike a little bit forward under you. Good riders do this and it is a way to corner fast. You literally throw the bike around the corner.

Sincerely

Woof the focker.
Predictiongrzy
Jan 21, 2002 6:11 PM
You'll be getting schooled soon.

Crits are really about staying with the pack, not getting dropped and doing no more work than is absolutely necessary so that you have juice for the sprint. I don't doubt that you can do well in a crit, but then you're probably not racing Cat 1 & 2 either. Heck, they have to give premiums just to keep things interesting.

A real eye opener is to be with some fast guys in a twisty descent. This is where cornering abiltiy becomes apparent and seperates the haves from the have-nots. The techniques discussed are valid and sound way more complicated than they are once you get the hang of it. Ultimately the technique works in all situations and once you've figured it out you will become a convert. Weight on the outside pedal, brace with the inside arm while in the drops. You may already be doing it - but some people need some concrete tips to apply.

The poster just wanted to know how to corner better - come in wide, use all the road and maintain speed. The replies took it into some of the proven techniques for maximum cornering. Some people try to corner with the pedals at 3 and 9 o'clock and wonder why they can't hold a line. Realize that there are group rides and then there are group rides. Typically the general purpose shop ride is more of a marketing feel-good thing and less of an asphault assault. Customers don't tend to come back if they get dropped and are left for dead out on the back roads.

Ultimately ask a local speedster how they do it and make it look so easy - chances are good that they'll give you lots of tips.
what the hell is a premium?cxdood
Jan 21, 2002 6:29 PM
do you mean prime or prim'? LOL!
PredictionWoof the dog
Jan 22, 2002 12:06 PM
in two years I will probably make it to a cat2 if I keep up training. This summer I raced in a cat4 race w/ people who went to cat 2 by the end of the summer while I stopped riding for certain reasons.