|Good bike bad rider||kahuna|
Jan 20, 2002 12:44 PM
|I am a keen but talentless cyclist. I do not have any structured training preffering to ride for as long and as hard as I feel like. This means I am not likly to challange Lance just yet. I do go to some local training/racing sessions every few weeks that are run after work, going around with the slow pack. However I am getting more and more tempted to spash out on an new expensive racing iron such as Principia R6s pro or a Klien Q-pro carbon or a Cannondale 4000i or some Italian wonder bike. Should a rider of limited quality become the owner of high quality bikes or is it pointless?|
|re: Good bike bad rider||Akirasho|
Jan 20, 2002 1:00 PM
|... sounds like about 95% of us...
Get whatever you want... and ride it (hopefully like you described "long and hard") like you want... After all, "quality" is such a subjective term... you just might be better than you think!
I'd never have owned these if I waited to be "good" enough.
Remain In Light.
|question for akirasho||peloton|
Jan 21, 2002 6:31 AM
|Whatever happened to 'be the bike'?
BTW- Nice looking bikes.
|answer for Peloton||Akirasho|
Jan 21, 2002 9:07 AM
|... in rememberance of the events of September 11, 2001, I changed the signoff.
Thanks for the compliments on the bikes.
Remain In Light.
|get as good a bike as you like & enjoy it...||PdxMark|
Jan 20, 2002 1:37 PM
|a wonder-bike is not pointless if you like the feel of the wonder-bike more than your current one, or even if just owning the wonder-bike makes you feel better... (I suppose even self-indulgent materialism is a good enough reason)
and if that wonder-bike coaxes you out to ride just a few more times or a few more miles than you would have, all the better...
Do it for the joy, the feel, and the fit .... and maybe even speed or reliability. If it let's you enjoy cycling more, then it's a good thing, unless you have to deny your family food for a month to pay for it... (it's ok to deny yourself, though)
|re: Good bike bad rider||Woof the dog|
Jan 20, 2002 1:58 PM
|get it, it will be more motivational. Get two different ones as a matter of fact, cause if you crash your only baby, who else you gonna pamper? The next stage of being a cyclist is starting to train more and ride whatever you could get your hands on, no matter how crappy it is, cause you are going for good results not a unique bike. You cannot skip any stages though, you gotta painstakingly go through each and every one LOL.
Woof the dog.
|re: Good bike bad rider||DaveL|
Jan 20, 2002 2:32 PM
|My $0.02: get the absolute best bike you can afford, and ride as hard and as long as you can. Don't worry about some kind of "rateing" or what "they" think about it - screw it. Just ride the bike the very best you can. Enjoy it!!|
|re: Good bike bad rider||gtx|
Jan 20, 2002 3:16 PM
|instead of a full-bore race bike, what about a really nice bike perhaps geared a bit more toward the recreational rider? A bike selected for the way it fits and an all-day comfy ride vs. light weight, high tech materials and high performance? I'm thinking of anything from a Rivendell to a Richard Sachs to an IF Club Racer to a Serotta CSi (oops, I just showed my weird preference for steel). Just an idea. But if a high performance race bike floats your boat, by all means go for it. It's not about the bike, but if the bike gets you excited about riding, well then, that's good enough.|
Jan 20, 2002 4:59 PM
|Get as good a bike as you can afford. Most riders start off with low end bikes, don't enjoy them, and eventually plop out the bucks for a nice bike. In the long run you save money.
I know I'll never be a rider who deserves riding what I have, but I sure enjoy every single second of it.. And it's harder to convince the wife you need a second bike so just get the best and get if over with...saves arguments..
Klein Q-pro Carbon, custom paint in Midnight storm..full Campy Record...my eyes are lusting...
|Only constraints||Kerry Irons|
Jan 20, 2002 5:37 PM
|Are your cash reserves, your desire for durability over super light weight, and the probability that you should avoid very dedicated specialty bikes (such as a time trial bike) as they are not too useful for daily riding.|
|Only constraints||Woof the dog|
Jan 20, 2002 6:13 PM
|Durability is fine even in lightweight components. You don't plan on crashing every month anyway,and the only things that wear out I can think of are tires and brakepads. Maybe new cables/housing, bartape, and 3 pairs of tires at 60bucks/pair and you are looking at ~200-220 a year, if not less.
Ahhh, I wish I just bought all the nice stuff right off the start. I would have basically saved the money all the replaced stuff cost in the beginning...that'd be at least $1,000.
Woof, the annoying dog.
|Hell Yeah!||Dog Breath|
Jan 20, 2002 5:43 PM
|Get something you will enjoy for a long while. It will keep you enthused about cycling. This it turn will keep you happy and fit. Who knows, a new steed may improve your cycling by motivating to train.|
|best av. speed: 18mph and i ride a kg281||Wagnerite|
Jan 20, 2002 9:37 PM
|My best average speed on a ride that is over 25 miles is 18 mph.
I can't sustain over 20mph for more than 10 minutes (unless down hill or tail wind)
I can't climb worth a darn.
but i ride a Look Kg281 with ultegra....
what the heck, the bike keeps me want to ride more, that's whats important.
|A good bike will make you a better rider!||guido|
Jan 20, 2002 10:56 PM
|A good bike will give a good ride, but a great bike will give a great ride! It will reward each pedal stroke going up a hill, fly around curves and descend like a bird, and you will feel it as an extension of your body as it disappears beneath you.
Pick a brand or model that riders you admire have. Then you can learn how to ride like them.
|Ever the contrarian, I'm going to throw in a disruptive thought.||bill|
Jan 21, 2002 8:37 AM
|I agree with not worrying about what anyone else thinks of your bike. One of the coolest things about bikes is that, for the price of a modest downpayment on a car, you can have the best. For $1500 you can get a very decent bike; for $3500 you can get a world-class piece of art (you can spend more on OTHER world-class pieces of art, but you don't have to). Get the best. No problem with that. |
Ah, but, for you, what is the best? For some, the best is the stiffest, meanest race bike. For others, it is the comfiest bike that is still sort of stiff. For others, you need to throw aesthetics in, paint job and such. And, for some, it's one good, stiff, mean race bike and another that is comfy and another that is of a specific material for a different kind of mean or stiff or comfy and another that just looks cool.
See what I mean? You already see the flavor of it in the posts above. "Getting the best" begs the question, what, for you is the best? Sometimes knowing what to look for in a bike takes some experience with upper-end bikes. Kind of a vicious circle. So, unless you have a pretty good idea of what you're looking for, I wouldn't go out and plunk down huge dollars just yet. Look and look and ask and ask and ride and ride, and then go out and plunk down huge dollars, which, in bike dollars, is still less than the upgrade package on a decent car.
|Ever the contrarian, I'm going to throw in a disruptive thought.||DINOSAUR|
Jan 21, 2002 3:53 PM
|GVH Bikes Inc. is having a sale on Landsharks $1995 for an Ultegra bike..... I've eyed lot's of bikes on his site, I'm aiming at a Merckx Majestic, equipped with Campy Chorus for about $2300...
Also~ no one has pointed out~ make sure you are fitted correctly or it doesn't matter how much you spend..
|$$$ Only If You Are Rich $$$||liu02bhs|
Jan 21, 2002 6:40 PM
|Why buy a better bike when you can't exploit it's full potential? The only reason I can think of it being ostentatious. I feel that if you are going to get a expensive bike, you have to earn it first. I get offended when I see people doing 16 mph on a racing machine. The bike deserve better than that. It's built to go fast, not at 16 mph. If you are going to go slow, buy a bike that's designed for such use. I confess I'm not a fast biker, that's why I am holding out until I can do 25 mph avg. for 20 miles on a criterium course without drafting.|
|and you're proving this to . . . ?||bill|
Jan 21, 2002 6:58 PM
|you, I guess, because no one else has any right to care. That's fine if that's the way you feel about it, but, for example, if I waited to have a kid until I deserved one, I would have a kid exactly never. Your kid makes you a better person every minute of every day (well, that's a bit strong, but you try). Not that a bike is a kid, or vice versa, but there is some kind of analogy here. A cool bike makes you want to be better. Makes it that much more enjoyable when you are.
Get what you want. It's a thing. It's a bike. It's only money. Life's short. What's the damn big deal?
|The bike deserves better than that ?||Scot_Gore|
Jan 21, 2002 7:36 PM
|Keep some perspective. I love my bike, but hey, it's an inanimate object. No bike hangs in the garage staring at the ceiling whispering "I could have gone faster today! - I could have gone faster today!", that would be the rider, not the bike.
Come to think of it, my CDs deserve a better musician, my pots deserve a better cook, and my car deserves someone who drives more than 10K a year.
If it makes him (the person) happy, he should get the bike. The bike will be OK with his decision....trust me.
|To each his own||GeekRoadie|
Jan 21, 2002 10:54 PM
|Everyone has his or her own metrics... I don't know if I agree with idea of "deserving" a bike. I'm guessing that the large majority of us ride because we enjoy it. If getting new bike enhances your enjoyment then do it! No need to beat yourself up about it. If you think getting (blank) will make you happy, then why not?|| |