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Passed by an accident this morning....(14 posts)

Passed by an accident this morning....Greg Taylor
Jan 17, 2002 6:01 AM
...on my commute through Alexandria, VA. A rider was hit by a car...the paramedics were already on the scene. There were injuries...the guy was flat on his back, pale, but responding to questions. There was a small crowd gathered around him and the car that hit him. (A Lexus, for those that keep track of this stuff). His bike was off to one side, bent from the impact. The driver, a balding man in a stylish tan suit that matched the color of his car, looked shocked.

Our little gang (I commute with a couple of other guys) stopped to see if we knew the rider. We didn't. So we moved on, but just a little slower than before...
Helmeted I hope!? nmjbrown2036
Jan 17, 2002 6:34 AM
Yup...Greg Taylor
Jan 17, 2002 6:46 AM
The paramedics were getting ready to put him on a back board. The helmet was still on his head.

It looked like this was a "visibility" accident. The rider was travelling north, crossing an intersection (uncontrolled -- no stop signs or lights), when the car, traveling south on the same street, turned left and into the cyclist. The rider was wearing drab colors (dark blue, black tights, dark blue bike), and the weather here today is overcast. My guess is that the driver wasn't paying attention and didn't see the bike when he turned. The rider didn't help himself by wearing dark colors on a dark day.
Jan 17, 2002 7:28 AM
Hi Greg,

Was this by any chance in Old Town? I went thru at about 630 EST. Saw nothing.

It was over by the Power Plant...Greg Taylor
Jan 17, 2002 7:57 AM
....on the North End of Old Town, at the intersection where the kayak rental place/cafe is situated. I think that the guy got hit about 8:00 am or so.

Up for a ride this Sunday?
It was over by the Power Plant...vitusdude
Jan 17, 2002 12:40 PM
I know where that is. Bad intersection. Unfortunately, I be in Philadelphia this weekend, so no ride for me.
live in VA and see them all the timePaul
Jan 17, 2002 7:43 AM
Live in Reston, and one reason I don't head east anymore is the car traffic, and amount of car accidents. When riding in N. VA just have to worry about the red necks throwing cans at you. I guess we will never have the European attitude over here when it comes to cycling.

Good luck with your commute!

Cop on motorcycle...UncleMoe
Jan 17, 2002 9:31 AM
Semi biking related because it has to do with visibility.

Driving down I-5 this morning in San Diego. I check my side view mirror in congested but briskly moving 30 mph traffic. In my mirror I see a mini-van followed by a CHP bike cop with his lights on. The van obviously knows he is there and is cautiously trying to get over to the shoulder. The whole time, the CHP bike is 1-2 car lengths behind.

As the mini-van makes its last lane change before the shoulder, another mini-van atttempts to merge to the faster lanes, except he pulled in directly behind the mini-van getting pulled over - forcing the CHP cop into the next lane.

What a break for the first mini-van is what I thought. So the CHP pulls up next to the 2nd mini-van and starts to pull him over. But the first mini-van followed over the the shoulder as well. Quite the honest move considering CHP was now in front of him, bt who knows if he had already radio'd in his license plate.

My guess is the cop was so pissed at the 2nd guy for almost killing him that he just sent the first driver on his way. The 2nd mini-van was also full of mexican's. Hmmm, a little border patrol case maybe.

Anyway - stay safe out there.
Cop on motorcycle...laffeaux
Jan 17, 2002 2:21 PM
I was following you until you got to the ethnicity part. Why does it matter what color skin they had? No need for the racism.
Sounded like an observationTypeOne
Jan 17, 2002 8:52 PM
Geez, that wasn't "racism." Not even stereotyping. Simply mentioning a person's race isn't racism. I agree that it was probably unnecessary in the story, but so what.
Sounded like an observationlaffeaux
Jan 18, 2002 1:35 PM
If thestatement, "the 2nd mini-van was also full of mexican's. Hmmm, a little border patrol case maybe," is not racist, I'm not sure what is.

He obserbed a car full of poeple with brown skin, and made the assumption that possibly they were illegal immigrants. What's to say they were not legal immigrants, or born in this country. Saying someone is Mexican is not racist. Seeing someone that is of Mexican descent and immediately thinking that they are illegal aliens is racist.
Mexicans are not a race.Crankist
Jan 18, 2002 9:56 AM
Skin color was not mentioned. Lighten up.
race is social not biologicalsalmonwheel
Jan 18, 2002 2:03 PM
There are no distinct biological races, just society tends to group people, originally for exclusionary purposes.
Stereotyping, racial profiling, extends beyond black and white. The federal gov't uses several reaces to classify people, look at any employment form ten from ten years ago it' s just the term ethnicity is used now because it doesn't throw up as many red flags.

Generalizing about peoples legal status based on their physical appearance is racist in my opinion, but if you don't like that term we could call it ethnist in either case it's wrong. I don't think it was intentional, but people should think about what they say and avoid perpetuating stereo types.
"There are no distinct biological races" ....Huh!?!?!?!Ahimsa
Jan 18, 2002 5:11 PM
WTF are you talking about? I seem to recall three primary races of man from college anthropology courses. Caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. Granted there are infinite varieties and mixes of the three, but certain base traits are identifiable.

I agree that grouping (basic human coping skill) and racism (another matter entirely) do exist, but I see nothing inherently racist in the "mexicans" post. Seems to me he just stated a fact. If anything was remotely offensive it was the glib comment about border patroling which could be subject to interpretation or explanation.

Race by definition is biological. Thus being Mexican is a matter of nationality, not race. There is no "mexican race". A white or black born in Mexico as a mexican citizen is a mexican.

Personally I think people need to get off the PC bandwagon long enough to educate themselves about just what it is that they are so irate about.