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Why are so many people against(27 posts)

Why are so many people againstHopalong
Jan 14, 2002 6:41 PM
integrated headsets?? I mean, I know people are resistant to change in general and I agree that my old headset works fine, but all of the negatives I have heard thus far seem to be based on speculation.
People speculate they may cause frame damage or parts may be hard to find, but there is no direct evidence of this now or will be in the future. Has anyone out there trashed a frame because of an integrated headset?? Do they fail during use???
I can see why companies like Chris King are against them as their business will suffer (it probably already has and they have a version on their website called the Perdido that is not for sale yet). However, if someone comes up with a universal design that will accomodate all frames, they will hit paydirt once again.
The criticisms about them potentially harming frame due to poor adjustment or improper head tube design seems silly to me because can't that happen with the traditional headsets? I was told that if you crash with an integrated headset, it can be worse on your frame. Any crash is worse on your frame and can't a standard headset design ovalize your headtube? It seems to be about properly maintaining your bike that is the key to longevity.
Heck, I haven't even touched my current Dura Ace headset in 5 years and it is fine.
I agree, that if Pinarello has a proprietary headset, maybe it is a little risk for lack of parts in future, but if Campy and Cane Creek meet your bike's specs, obsolescence should never be a problem.
Anyway, just curious and looking for insight from those knowledgable about this as I am always looking to learn more about bikes.
Jeez, dudemickey-mac
Jan 14, 2002 7:43 PM
Yet another handle? Slothlike, Roadie77, Iridefar, billedwards, Creepy, Undecided, Heyitsme, and now Hopalong: Lazywriter strikes again! Forgive me if I've forgotten to mention some of your other aliases.
Jeez, dudeHopalong
Jan 14, 2002 8:00 PM
You sure make a lot of assumptions mickey-mac!! I can see by previous posts you seem to be on a quest to "expose" people on this board. I hope you realize how ridiculous you look and am quite surprised you don't use an alias yourself when making these ridiculous allegations.
Reading your last posts, I can see you generally don't want to be convinced to the contrary as you are so confident you are right. You really are a pest. I raised a simple question for those who want to answer or discuss, but you feel compelled to add your useless post.
Honestly, you must find something better to do because you are a loser.
Typical Lazywriter responsemickey-mac
Jan 14, 2002 8:28 PM
I could have scripted that one.
amazing nmgtx
Jan 14, 2002 9:25 PM
This time you are wrong Mickey Mac.Dog Breath
Jan 15, 2002 4:20 PM
He left out:

"You must not have a life"
"You must be obsessed"
"People never hated integrated headsets until they got so big"
"What a douche"

You would think his 3 plus lbs former flavor of the month, living off of its past glories, Vortex might cause him happiness, but such is not the case.

He is still very much worried about what other people think. Myself, I don't really think there is anything special about a plain gray Ti bike with Japanese components. A nice bike, but nothing special.
OhLazierider
Jan 15, 2002 7:25 PM
DogSh&*, I missed you almost as much as I missed Mickey-Macdirtydouchebag. I am seriously cracking up that you stupid asses wonder about what other names I may be posting under, when I haven't even been to this site literally in months. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA As far as those boring gray ti bikes, they are still one of the best rides on the road. You can continue to glorify the italian bikes, but they are just as trendy as the dreaded Litespeed. Notice how they are doing the same things to their frames?? Colnago is even "shaping" tubes on their Ovalmaster and covering up the crappy ti with gaudy paint jobs. That is the beauty of Litespeed, it is what it is with no pretentions. Stripped down to its bare beauty of pure performance. Later, dick.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHALazierider
Jan 15, 2002 4:25 PM
Mickey Macdouche you are such a fu(king idiot. All you do all day is sit and post thinking you are unmasking me as some other person. You are a total tool and you prove it by your latest antics. I haven't been around in a long time as I had to get back to work after my hiatus, and I haven't even been riding. You are such a douchebag. Notice my name is differnt because I couldn't even remember my password to post under my original name because it has been so long. You are such an idiot. DO YOU KNOW THAT. Why on earth would you think I would have to post under an alias when I get so much satisfaction telling you what an absolute schmuck you are. I still hate you and I just want to tell you how unimpressive your "Columbo" detective work is. HAHAHAHAHAHA
You waste so much energy on me, I can see you really missed me because you keep bringing me up. What an absolute retard. HAHAHAHAHA Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder. Go to a support group for it. What a total
co(ksucker. Looking forward to your moronic response. Do you wash your hands 50 times a day you obsessive bastard????
You are obsessed with me you HOMO!!!!!! God I am laughing my ass off.
Tee-hegrzy
Jan 15, 2002 5:59 PM
You can't remember your password and *he's* the idiot?

Good thing you didn't waste any "energy" spewing your childish insults. Your post says much about you. Go back to MTBR and play with the other children.
Hey GeaseballLazierider
Jan 15, 2002 6:29 PM
Blow Me. You are officially added the Douchebag List. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
mtbr.comgtx
Jan 15, 2002 7:02 PM
actually, that place is lot more civilized that this board lately.
One thing remains constantmickey-mac
Jan 15, 2002 7:17 PM
No matter what name you use to post your messages, you sound certifiably insane.

BTW, the "retard" and "homo" comments really drive home your points and add a touch of class.
what I don't get...gtx
Jan 15, 2002 7:35 PM
is how Hopalong, Undecided, Heyitsme, etc., does those weird little paragraphs with the small indents. Lazyrider's new posts don't have those. The whole thing is hilarious.
what I do get...Lazierider
Jan 15, 2002 7:47 PM
is that you are all idiots. The fact that anyone would even care if people post under different names is beyond me. If this guy Hopalong has a legitiamte question about integrated headsets and morons start polluting his post with garbage like Mickey-macdouche, you guys are no less guilty than me for being a total obnoxious moron. Why do you guys even bother? WAY OFF BASE!!! I am so glad I checked out this board again because you smug, arrogant motherf%^*ers couldn't be more wrong. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You guys should become detectives, because we could then have more guys like O.J. get away with murder. You guys are like the retarded Kojak and Columbo or just like Corky on Life Goes On. He rode in a bike race on his show.
Indentsmickey-mac
Jan 15, 2002 8:33 PM
Lazywriter used the paragraph indents in the past. He appears to have abandoned them in an effort to convince everyone that he's not Creepy, Undecided, Heyitsme, etc. Here's a link to an old message where he still used the indents:

Lazyrider "Here ya go! I dig the" 9/4/01 11:48am

You're right about this stuff being funny. I can picture Lazywriter frustrated and sweating over his keyboard typing paragraph after paragraph in a lonely, dark room in New Jersey, telling the rest of us that we're idiots for spending so much time discussing him.
Indentsgtx
Jan 15, 2002 10:06 PM
Wow. You nailed it. This guy is killing me. LOL!!!!
Lazywriting 101mickey-mac
Jan 15, 2002 10:28 PM
Lazywriter has some little quirks that give him away every time: 1) he usually starts his first sentence in the topic line and finishes it in the body of the message; 2) he indents the first line of each paragraph (until recently); 3) he likes parentheticals and quotation marks; 4) he frequently uses multiple punctuation marks ("!!!" or "????"); 5) his spelling is atrocious; 6) he has a hard time posting a message without mentioning Litespeed; and 7) he usually prefaces his messages about Litespeed by telling people not to bash them when responding to him. I'd like to think that he's some guy with a wry grin on his face who's messing with us by posting all of these messages under different names, but I have a feeling that's not the case.
What LazyRider wants - stay stoked!Dog Breath
Jan 15, 2002 10:45 PM
He wants people to respect Litespeed bicycles with Shimano components. He is very self-conscious. (He is constantly seeking approval from others with regards to headsets, components, or frames.)

He appears also to be unsure of his sexuality (references to gay porn and homos punctuate his verbal barrages).

Notice how "BigLeadOutGuy" switched every Campagnolo component from top to bottom for Shimano, after having ridden Campy forever. Now who is bigleadoutguy?

Stay Stoked!
OH PLEASE STOP WITHLazierider
Jan 15, 2002 7:36 PM
your half ass political correctness. You are an absolute tight ass that needs to loosen up. You really missed me because you apparently couldn't stop talking about me and looking for me. I was wondering why me ears were ringing. BTW, people who even use the word "class" are the ones who normally don't have any. I know you won't be convinvced to the contrary, but you are so off base with who you think I post as. Been way too busy to fu(k around with morons like you lately, but couldn't resist when I saw you STILL are talking about me 6 months later. WHAT A TOTAL DOUCHEBAG!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
go get em MikeCT1
Jan 14, 2002 8:20 PM
How do you sniff out these spamers???

JohnG
re: Why are so many people againstBarnyard
Jan 14, 2002 8:16 PM
with an integrated headset, you have an increased stack height which is not recommended with carbon steering post (which are becoming very common).
re: Why are so many people againstfuzzybunnies
Jan 14, 2002 8:48 PM
Haven't hac too much experiance with other brands but of the 5 schwinns built up at our shop last year with an internal headset 3 of them have had problems. One had defective bearings, one wasn't machined right and we haven't been able to figure out what's wrong with the third. But I've ridden with the guy and every time he hits a pot hole or railroad track it sounds like his frame is exploding. And has someone else mentioned there's the problem with stack height and carbon steerers. Russ
Schwinn is a total POSLazierider
Jan 15, 2002 7:02 PM
what would you expect from them. They went out of business. Look at the Merckx bikes with the integrated headsets and tell me they are substandard. The way everyone talks about these things, the pros bikes should be falling apart as they race. I like the old hs better, but technology marches on. Buy a quality bike like Litespeed or Pinarello and you won't have to worry about these things. Yes, I said the dreaded word LITESPEED LITESPEED LITESPEED LITESPEED. As far as stack height, the bikes with integrated headsets have head tubes that are taller, so this may not be as big an issue especially if someone likes a lower position. The 2001 VORTEX had a head tube of 14.8cm, the new 2002 has a 16.5cm. If you buy the right size frame, you have no problem. But it all seems to come out in the wash. Ride too small a frame, then you may not be able to ride a carbon steerer.
My beef is with lack of standardizationspookyload
Jan 14, 2002 9:06 PM
How many companies make them, and how many of them are interchangable. Campy makes one, Cane Creek makes one, and of course lets not forget coda. Problem is, which one does your frame take? A threadless headset can be replaced with any threadless as long as it is the right diameter. Now with integrated, it depends on the frame manufacturers side deals with headset companies as to which one you can use.
These lame posts are killing the board!nm
Jan 14, 2002 9:21 PM
So let's get into integrated headsets!guido
Jan 14, 2002 9:57 PM
They're lighter? Make the front end stiffer? Have more ball bearings to take up the load? Last longer?

Or being "proprietary," are they impossible to replace? Can you pop out the races when they get brinnelled and push in new ones? Will their dimensions become standardized, so 10 years from replacement parts will be available?

I've never heard of standard 1" headsets ovalizing headtubes, unless someone tries to install them with a 2x4 and hammer. They've always worked great for me. I have an old Campy Record steel one that's lasted 15 years. it ain't light, but it's soooo smoooth!
Wellgrzy
Jan 15, 2002 5:55 PM
It could have something to with the fact that it's purely a cost saving measure foisted upon us by the large companies and instead of using quailty stuff they go for low end shite which can't be easily replaced or upgraded. When they screw up the installation b/c the manufacturing process goes out of control and your HS isn't true/square/parallel what are you going to do? Forget the whole notion of reaming and facing done at the LBS. Now when crappy HS fails (even if it says Campy) your only choice is more of the same crap. Ultimately you have to ask yourself one question - what's in it for you the consumer? the bike industry isn't really based on standards, but rather a moving target - you have an easier time hearding cats. Look at the ISIS BB - pay dirt? Not my choice of words.

I noticed that you didn't refute your many handles.