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mount washington Hill Climb entries open Feb 1(26 posts)

mount washington Hill Climb entries open Feb 1Hill Meister
Jan 14, 2002 1:24 PM
The biggest badass hillclimb race ever staged, the Mount Washington hillclimb is frequently refered to as the "Toughest Hillclimb in America". Go to www.tinmtn.org for more info.
Warning: 7.6 miles-4723 feet of climbing. This is 2x at least as Alp Heuz! August 25th, snow at any time, winds well above 50 MPH.
This is the toughest cycling event in the US.
isnt this like $300 an entry? Forget it....(nm)Former Lurker
Jan 14, 2002 1:27 PM
isnt this like $300 an entry? Forget it....(nm)firstrax
Jan 14, 2002 1:34 PM
Its a declining scale. the price goes down as the event draws near. Its also a charity race.
It's still a total ripoff....Ted the Horseman
Jan 14, 2002 1:38 PM
You can do the mt. evans hilclimb which isn't as steep but probably a tougher and longer overall climb for $10-15.
cost comparisonDog
Jan 14, 2002 2:46 PM
The race it 7.6 miles. At $300, that's $39.47 per mile. Even at the low end fee of $150, that's $19.74 per mile. But, there are significant cash prizes.

The 508 was $199, or $0.39 per mile. What a bargain! RAAM is $795 (early) or $0.27 per mile.

A typical double is about $50, or around $.25 per mile, and that includes food.

Dog
Where is the Mt. Evans Hill climb?aka Cartman
Jan 15, 2002 12:26 PM
Info please, thanks in advance.
just west of Denver nmDog
Jan 15, 2002 12:28 PM
The registration fee is tougher than the climb!!!biknben
Jan 15, 2002 7:27 AM
I've had this climb on my "to do" list for a year. After reading about the fee schedule, I took it off my list. $300 is obsurd. If you wait for the fees to decrease your chances of getting in are nill.

It wouldn't surprise me if it sold out in one day again. I'm sure there are 600 people willing to pay that kind of money.

I respect that they limit the number of entrants. The mountain has a climate all its own. I'm sure it is for safety reasons that they have to limit the field. Maybe they should consider making it a multi-day event. One day for the more serious riders/racers (which attract more spectators) and other day for the general public (which attracts more participants). But once again, the weather makes that a challenge.
Maybe it's really for pros?Dog
Jan 15, 2002 7:41 AM
Maybe the race is really for pros and very seriously sponsors amateurs. The sponsors pay the fee?

BTW, anyone know what the entry fees are for the grand tours (TdF, Giro, etc.)?

Dog
This is the toughest cycling event in the US???grzy
Jan 14, 2002 2:14 PM
Where does that leave events like the Furnace Creek 508, the RAAM, or any quality double century. Ultimately it averages out to less than a 12% grade - BFD. Ever heard of the Rockies or the Sierras?

Sounds more like you're a promoter or someone with a vested interest.
Terrible Two might be toughest single day eventDog
Jan 14, 2002 2:32 PM
Yes, the Terrible Two would be far tougher than climbing any one 5,000 foot hill.

Incidentally, Climb to Kaiser will have a double option this year, called the Dinky Double. On the return route from Shaver, you'll turn left at Dinky Creek, and do an out and back adding 45 miles, with the rest of the route the same. It will add over 3,000 feet of climbing. There will be a time cut-off to begin the extra leg. They are also going to offer a century option, which I think basically goes to Shaver Lake and back down. I think then it will be tougher than Terrible Two.

The 508 is like doing the Terrible Two twice back to back, with a flat century in 100 degree heat thrown in.

The ride in issue might be the toughest single hill climb event, but by far not the toughest cycling event in the U.S. The attrition rate says a lot, and I'd like to see the numbers.

Dog
Haleakala time trial.MB1
Jan 14, 2002 5:24 PM
Start with your rear wheel in the Pacific Ocean, 36 miles later finish at 10,080 feet. It is a once in a while race if the Maui racers can find a promoter. Not all that steep really but I believe it is the shortest distance from the ocean to over 10K'.

Of course a race is only as hard as the racers make it.
re: RAAMmikebikr
Jan 14, 2002 2:58 PM
Ever heard of RAAM?????
re: mount washington Hill Climb entries open Feb 1hill meister
Jan 14, 2002 4:40 PM
Wake up folks... Entry is a mere $100. This is the toughest HILLCLIMB race in the U.S.

BTW. Still too many clueless Wankers responding without thinking... Think first, respond once, don't blow it out the butt with B.S.
Yeah, what you said....grzy
Jan 14, 2002 4:51 PM
> Think first, respond once, don't blow it out the butt with B.S.

Who are you and what's your angle? Ever read what you write? Do you understand what you write? If you did you wouldn't need to clarify and qualify with follow ups.

All races are tough - it's the people that set the bar, not the hill.
I was tempted...Dog
Jan 14, 2002 5:04 PM
I was tempted to call you (hill meister) a "dumbass jerk" after that response, but I won't.

You wrote, "This is the toughest cycling event in the US." Right? Are you surprised some "clueless Wankers" challenged you on that?

Plus, the website you directed us to states an entry fee of $300, which goes down over time to a minimum of $150. $100 was last year, but the site stated that they raised the fee because it sold out in a day. See this...

"February 1 to February 28th: $300
March 1 to March 31st: $250
April 1 to April 30th: $200
May 1 to May 31st: $150

* This race has a limit of 600 riders, and registrations will be accepted on a first-come first-serve basis"

http://www.tinmtn.org/hillclimb/2002pricelist.cfm

What are we missing here? You are not nice. Please apologize.

Dog
Double that, DogTypeOne
Jan 14, 2002 8:29 PM
Right on, Dog. Anyone who deals in superlatives like "toughest" or "best" is begging for a response. Calling those disagree "wankers" is poor form.
But I guess silly squabbles make this site pretty interesting sometimes.
Btw, the Mt. Washington ride - as well as the others listed -- sounds pretty damn tough!
The entry fee is $300 on Feb 1st (nm)JoeBob
Jan 15, 2002 10:44 AM
planned on it, but not anymoreDuane Gran
Jan 15, 2002 5:08 AM
I had my heart set on doing this race, however the price is simply outrageous. On one hand I can't blame them for raising it since all 600 entries filled in 24 hours last year, but on the other hand I think a lot of young (ungainfully employed) talent will be missing as a result. As others have stated, it is the competition, not the climb that really makes it. I guess they are victims of their own popularity, but I really wanted to do it.

As for the difficulty of the race, no one can deny that it is sick hard climb. Tyler Hamilton, who won the race a few years back and holds the record, stated that it was the hardest hill climb he has ever done. If you factor in the weather conditions, it is arguably the hardest climb in the US. Of course, in reality the hardest climb is the one where your training buddy (who is just 10% stronger) is putting you on the rivet. ;)
re: mount washington Hill Climb entries open Feb 1peloton
Jan 15, 2002 8:30 AM
I've done Mt. Washington back in 99, and the entry was about $100 if I recall correctly. Tried to get in last year, but it filled up on the first day.

I've done a lot of races, and Mt. Washington is certainly the most difficult that I have ever encountered. Competition makes most races hard, but this hill makes the race difficult even without other competitors to think about. It is most certainly the most miserable 7.6 miles that I can imagine. The weather is also usually abisimal up there, and that is part of it. Summer weather at the bottom with wind and sleet at the top, you ride through every climate imaginable on the way up. There are many extended grades over 15%, and you are glad to see mere 8% areas to rest! If anyone slags on the difficulty of this race, then they simply have not done it themselves. Everyone should experience it once to experience misery of that magnitude.

For a hillclimb it is certainly a beast, but not really comparable to doubles or other races. It's a different type of suffering here. Very hard, maybe the most difficult, as far as hillclimbs go though.
Analyze This....grzy
Jan 15, 2002 8:36 AM
Is there really anything from preventing someone from riding up there on their own on a given day with decent weather? Seems like doing the hill is one thing and plunking down ~$300 for the privaledge of getting your butt kicked is another.
FWIW...Len J
Jan 15, 2002 9:59 AM
My understanding is that the only road up is a private road with guard access. They only open it to bikes this one time a year in order to raise money for a charity.

It may be expensive at $300, but not if you think it is a worthy charity.

Any idae of what charity?

Len
FWIW...Len J
Jan 15, 2002 10:03 AM
Just looked on the site & the charity is the Tin Mountain preservation fund, an environmental awareness group.

BTW if you look under the FAQ section you can see the record times for climbs:

Male running 58 min 21 sec
Male Bike riding 50 Min 21 Sec.

It also says that the last 50 yards is at 22%.

Amazing.

Len
the last 50 yardsChrisA
Jan 15, 2002 11:05 AM
I did the race in 2000. I got to line up right behind Jeannie Longo. Yes, I got beat by a woman (a 13-time world champion).

The last stretch at 22% is sick. I was out of the saddle and my front tire was actually coming off the ground. The crowd was about 10 deep and they were so loud that you couldn't think. Absolutely incredible. That made the whole thing worth it.

I got shut out of registration last year. This year I can't justify a 300% increase in the price. I did it once and I had a perfect race(1:05). Too bad others who've never done it will be priced out. The cost to run this event did not go up that much. Although the race goes to support a non-profit, a 300% increase is simply unreasonable. It will be interesting to see at what price level the race fills up at.
sounds like fun - but any hill can be easyDog
Jan 15, 2002 12:02 PM
I love riding steep slopes. There is something inherently challenging about it.

There is a section of the Climb to Kaiser with 18-20% slopes. This is 65 miles into a 155 mile race. This year it is also a double.

It's very challenging, but then I've found that with the right gearing, all slopes are equalized. You can ride up a 30% slope (assuming traction) very easily with the right gears. It does take longer, though, due to the mechanical advantage. Lower gearing requires less force each crank revolution, you just don't go as far.

The reverse is true, also. You can make any hill seem steeper than it is by using tall gears. This last weekend I rode my fixed gear bike 70 miles, including up a 6% 3,000 foot climb. I was going to make it a 5,000 foot climb, but had to turn back. With the gearing I had, 42x16 (70 inches), I had to stand the entire way. It was hurting my joints. It seemed like a 25% grade. Other than the front tire coming off the ground aspect, riding the 6% grade with that gear felt exactly the same as riding a 20% grade in a 39x21 gear.

What's funny about this race is the closeness of the cycling and running records. At some point, it seems like the advantage of a bike isn't much help, as you gotta gear down and haul up the weight of the bike with you, too. I'd guess that this event may hold the record for the proximity of the running and cycling course records. Whaddya think?

Dog
yupRCoap
Jan 15, 2002 12:26 PM
and since you gotta take a ride down, you can use your climbing bike!