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Cholesterol(18 posts)

Jan 8, 2002 12:19 PM
Talking about diets: A study was done on Africans who had a diet really high in Cholesterol, yet were normal in their cholesterol levels. Everything was measured, clearing time of food was 23-32 hours, stool weighed approx. 1 lb.
The scientists were confused. This study was repeated in England, they found clearing times of 3-7 days, stool weighed less than 8 oz. This study was then done in the U.S., clearing times went as high as 3 weeks, stool was 4oz.
The culprit turned out to be refined food, low fiber. We were basically constipated. One reason why we are a nation of fatties! What do you think of refined foods and our nations physiques.
Refined foods are not good...PdxMark
Jan 8, 2002 1:04 PM
in comparison to whole grains, fruits, vegs, etc. especially for maintaining one's stool weight (glad THAT's not my job). But I think the real culprits in the 30+% overweight/obese state of Americans (can't remember the actual statistics) are diets of high fat and high sugar combined with little or no physical activity.

Don't know how any of this relates to cholesteral - but constant comfort food while sitting on one's butt is a fat-making machine.
Refined foods are not good...morey
Jan 8, 2002 1:47 PM
Most excess cholesterol is removed via stool, therefore it is very important that this route of ecretion remain optimal. Most hormones use cholesterol as a base, therefore as we age sex hormones are reduced, therefore more cholesterol. Exercise and refined foods are a culprit here.
Morey-for my job I took a blood test last
Jan 8, 2002 2:29 PM
Morey-for my job I took a blood test last year...

And had pretty high cholesterol for being marginally fit. I'm 6-2, 185 and under 30. Well I had a cholesterol reading of 205. I just took the test again - a year later in much better shape (cycling, running and eating good) and scored 174. I could not believe the huge drop. But.. before the test that I scored 205, I had some pastry's (about 3 hours before). Do you think this artificially raised my score? Is this drop of 30 points unusual?
Thanks, I just thought it was really strange
Should be done after a 12 hour fast.bikedodger
Jan 8, 2002 2:46 PM
My doctor is insistent that I fast for 12 hours prior to a cholesterol check. My understanding is that the total cholesterol measurement will not be messed up, but the individual components (LDL, HDL, triglicerates (sp?)) will be incorrect.

Should be done after a 12 hour fast.morey
Jan 9, 2002 3:58 AM
This is true!
NOT TRUE!look271
Jan 13, 2002 12:29 PM
Triglycerides change quickly, as well as ldl. Total cholesterol and HDL change very little day-to-day. A 12 hr fast is totally unnecessary. 8 hrs (or overnight is quite sufficient).
Morey-for my job I took a blood test last year...koala
Jan 8, 2002 4:36 PM
I dropped my cholesterol 50 points in 60 days with excercise and diet. Bike a lot, 60 grams of fat per day (no fun) and now the trick is to ride more and maintain my diet.
Be careful with this "data"Kerry Irons
Jan 8, 2002 4:59 PM
When you combine the variability in the test itself (reported to be around +/- 10) and your personal variation in diet, the 205 and the 174 could be almost the same number. I have had the experience of doing a lot of business travel (and associated disruption in my normal diet) in the two weeks leading up to a cholesterol test and seeing my number jump 20 points compared to repeated tests before and after. A cycling buddy of mine took this information and held his fat intake pretty low for 4 weeks prior to his test. His number went down 30 points. Was that a "real" reduction? Only if he maintained that diet forever onward. All that said, it is widely known that high fiber diets are better for you, especially if you get that fiber by including more fruits and vegetables. And all that fiber, particularly soluble fiber, is a sponge for fats and cholesterol. Not too surprising, it's just that the medical community is prone to treating rather than preventing disease and so invests much of its research in that direction.
Be careful with this "data"morey
Jan 9, 2002 4:01 AM
Morey-for my job I took a blood test last year...morey
Jan 9, 2002 3:57 AM
It is definitely not good to eat anything before your test. A 30 point drop is good and usual with somebody that exercises and eats well. What is more important if you can find out is the HDL/LDL ratio.
The shocking truth.guido
Jan 8, 2002 8:25 PM
Down with refined food! Up with unadulterated, whole foods, and damn the cholesterol! What America needs is good bread, the staff of life. Try to find a good loaf in the grocery store! I want dense, hard bread you can put your teeth in, not this cotton candy! And rice. My Indian friend gave me a meal prepared with much less refined rice he bought at an Indian market in Dallas. What a difference. You can actually taste the rice flavor.

But what do we do? Three co-workers today offered me some of their deep fat fried catfish fillets, loaded up on their plates with nothing else, not even a french fry. The last time I ate a whole plate of fried chicken morsels, I felt sick for the rest of the day. Avoiding fat is a real challenge. Taking to work already cooked pasta with vegetables, ham, tuna, olive oil and vinegar, basil and garlic, is the only way to stay away from Mazzio's, Wendy's, McDonald's. "Comfort foods," that's it, people get addicted to fat. How decadent.
The shocking truth.morey
Jan 9, 2002 4:05 AM
I never eat white bread, never eat white rice. The majority of the vitamins reside in the husk which is removed prior to making the white brands. One of the biggest problems is fiber, not cholesterol. Lack of fiber has caused the problems associated with cholesterol. We have the highest childhood obesity ever seen because we eat crap!
What do we do,guido
Jan 9, 2002 10:35 PM
eat lots of fruits and vegetables? I'm embarassed to admit that I don't know what fiber is or what foods contain it. Can you find whole grain bread and grain products in the supermarket?

It would also be interesting to know what foods provided the large amounts of fiber in the Africans' diets.
What do we do,morey
Jan 10, 2002 4:18 AM
One simple solution is to add something like Metamucil to your daily regimen. Make sure it has no sugar! You will probably realize a weight loss at first, and of course you will go to the bathroom more often.
Also, eat whole-grain bread, fresh vegetables, brown rice,
potatoes with the skin etc.
Thanks, Morey!guido
Jan 10, 2002 7:55 PM
I'll eat the baked potatoes, fresh fruits and veggies, and seriously search for whole-grain bread and brown rice, but forget about Metamucil. That's for old folks who sit around all day eating all that comfort food, getting clogged up, and spending hundreds of dollars a month on heart, cholesterol, and blood medicine, on top of massive amounts of Metamucil.

Another benefit of regular, vigorous exercise (cycling) is a more responsive nervous system, and a faster metabolism, all of which keeps me regular. I'll just keep on riding, and eating my fruits and vegetables!
Thanks, Morey!morey
Jan 11, 2002 4:31 AM
The food tastes so much better than metamucil. I did use metamucil as a bodybuilder because it tends to remove water from the system. Water retention is the bane of bodybuilders. I also avoid sodium as much as possible, use no sugar. Believe me little things make a big difference to your body. I measured my waist every morning, one mistake in eating could mean 1/2 inch.
What do we do,morey
Jan 11, 2002 5:20 AM
You can buy whole grain bread, brown rice etc. at most if not all supermarkets.