|experience w/these Performance Bike winter items?||Js Haiku Shop|
Jan 8, 2002 11:35 AM
|I layer with thin, wicking socks, smartwool socks over 'em, my big shoes, neoprene overbooties, and PI Amfib gloves on my hands, but hands and feet are still a problem on 50+ milers from about 32-20*F. so, i was eyeing this stuff:
Performance/GORE-TEX Thermal Glove
Performance INNOVA Balaclava
...and there were some other wind/waterproof performance socks in the most recent catalog that i can't seem to find on the website. they're currently $19.99, and say they can fit in cycling shoes. they look full-length. the ones above are $35.
thanks in advance!
Jan 8, 2002 11:59 AM
|I used the balaclava when I lived in Wisconsin. It works fine, except any time you cover either your mouth or your nose you're going to get condensation on the fabric... which turns to ice on the outside and has a wet feeling against your mouth area. Don't know any better solution though.|
|20-32 degrees? Sheesh.||Sintesi|
Jan 8, 2002 12:08 PM
|I got a windstopper/Gore-tex Balaclava from these guys and it is the sh!t my friend. You can't hear anything so watch the traffic but otherwise highly recommended.
As for the over-socks, they work pretty good just make sure you have enough room so your toes don't squish or the uber-sock bunches up. If this happens then you'll freeze for sure due to the lack of circulation.
Gloves? Layering works the best for me. Need a large wind-proof outer shell of a glove and a removable micro-fleece inner gloves. I've never used these gloves, they sound good then again they look and sound like a lot of gloves I've used in the past that never worked so hot. Don't they have the lobster gloves? Those are pretty nice.
|re: experience w/these Performance Bike winter items?||morey|
Jan 8, 2002 12:09 PM
|Have used the Balaclava. It is very good. Have only used the gloves three times (Florida), however they are very warm. They sometimes interfere with the shifters on my DA STI shifters.|
|re: experience w/these Performance Bike winter items?||pmf1|
Jan 8, 2002 12:23 PM
|A balaclava is the best bang for the buck cold weather clothing piece you can get. Get two of them. You lose something like 40% of your body heat through your head. I sometimes add a cycling cap on top to soak up sweat. I also have a Gore-Tex one, but it needs to be pretty darn cold to use that thing -- its a cooker. |
As for gloves, I find the Pearl Izumi pittards work great in cool weather. Thicker gloves for cold weather, and lobster mitts for really cold weather. If its in the 20's, I'd be using lobster mits.
For the feet, I've tried Gore-Tex socks, but they don't work well. Everything is too tight in my shoes and my feet get cold. I prefer neoprene booties. Stick a set of those chemical toe warmers in your shoes as well. They work great.
|been wondering about those toe warmers...||Js Haiku Shop|
Jan 8, 2002 12:42 PM
|do already have one balaclava, a cannondale wicking/thing type. i'm tired of washing it twice on weekends, which is why i'm looking...good advice. i need AT LEAST two.
I have a pair of specialized lobster gloves, but they're just the right fit (no room for glove liners), and not very warm. suppose i could try the PI lobster gloves, but it's a one-shot deal. i don't have big canvas bags of money to spend on this order, but at the same time, i'm riding around with popsicles in my gloves.
fyi, i already have the five-fingered version of those PI amfib lobster gloves, and they're leaving my fingers cold. is there that much of a difference with the lobster version?
|been wondering about those toe warmers...||pmf1|
Jan 9, 2002 4:41 AM
|I bet I've got half a dozen balaclavas. A thin one, a Gore-Tex one, a few polpropolene ones and a fleece one which covers my whole face. They're cheap. |
I think the PI lobster mits are pretty warm. The amfib stuff isn't very warm. It seems that these were designed more for wet conditions than cold conditions. I've got a different pair of heavy PI gloves that are warmer than the amfib ones. Basically, the PI amfib stuff sucks.
If you can hold out for a 2-3 months, all this stuff will go on sale at drastically lower prices. When the weather starts warming up, think winter clothes. I buy most of my winter clothes in the late winter/early spring for about half off.
|I really dont like over head socks..||Jrm|
Jan 8, 2002 12:38 PM
|I dont know after about a half an hour, the sweat seems to cascade directly into my eyes, and the portion of the sock over my mouth is saturated. Pretty gross..really.|
|performance cold weather stuff||Alex-in-Evanston|
Jan 8, 2002 12:46 PM
|The gore-tex socks have been great for 2 years, but I don't wear them below 30. From 30-40 I wear them with no other socks, but below 30 it's smartwool and booties. Below 10F it's gore-tex socks and booties.
For the hands, I have been very, very happy with REI brand gloves. I've got REI gloves in three different weights, and they've all held up for more than 2 years with no problems.
Balaclavas I hate, but below 15F you've got to have one. For 20-32F I would wear a thin hat under your helmet. The Pearl Izumi training hat is nice ($$), but I got some no-name thing made of the same material at REI for $12 and it's just as good.
BTW, I saw some Lake winter mtb shoes in the shop this past weekend, and they look sweet.
|These are the one's you want||Sintesi|
Jan 8, 2002 1:23 PM
Expensive but would solve the problem. I agree Am-Fibs are "cool" weather gloves, not heavy duty.
|Gore Socks||Greg Taylor|
Jan 8, 2002 1:39 PM
|I've had a set for a couple of years -- they work "ok", but not "great".
No, they aren't much of an insulator (the Gore-Tex sock is basically acting like a windstopper), so you need a wool sock (Smartwool rocks!) on the inside. I'm comfortable down to about 30 like this, and then it's neoprene booty time.
No, they aren't terribly waterproof either. Riding in the rain, my feet will eventually get wet. The water will be warm-ish (heated by my body), but still kinda uncomfortable. No problems when I double up the neoprene booty and the Gore socks, and zip up my tights over the outside of the bootie. Dry as a bone.
Jan 8, 2002 2:15 PM
|Warm into mid 20s F., not too clumsy. I like 'em.|
|Some Perf/Some Other, but none of those pictured||12x23|
Jan 8, 2002 3:16 PM
|Gloves: I have a pr of Santini windstopper (Gore) I'm wearing with polyprop gloves as liners. I got the Santini's from Scwhab Cycles last yr, and the 'liners' from RoadRunner Sports about 10 yrs ago. Very good so far to about 28*, with WIND.
Balaclava: No high tech berka for me. I bought two skull caps from Performance last yr and wear one of them with one of the two 10 yr old turtleneck (roll the neck all the way up) undergarments made of some 10 yr old technology polyester wicking fiber, (wicks, then smells like h*!! when dry - ;-0). I use the 'turtlenecks' with arm warmers underneath, jersey and vest/jacket over, and I'm good to 28*, so far. I wear the jersey with a P-I Silmond vest, Performance Illuminite vest, or P-I Silmond jacket - whichever feels best.
Socks/Booties: Woolie Boolies, or, Woolie Boolies. Nothing else. I wear them with Pearl Am-Fib booties and they have been good to 28*. I have neoprene if it gets colder, but haven't needed them yet.
This has worked for me so far wearing leg warmers or tights, with temps from mid-40's to 28, varying with sun to overcast and north wind to 15-20 mph.