Jan 7, 2002 8:17 PM
|Was at the LBS today and was checking this freakish ride out. The owners are good and honest guys who I have dealt with for years and they told me that a bunch of local racers were out testing this bike out.
According to them, the guys who are serious racers were pushing this bike hard and found it to be very stiff in the bb. Even for large riders around 175 lbs. One customer bought one already and just ordered another, I have no idea why.
Now, the Seven Alta is similar in weight and geometry and they post a 200 lb rider wieght limit on their website.
Is it possible that this frame because of the compact geometry is stiff enough for say a 185 pounder??
Durability would be less of a concern for me if I were to buy as it has the lifetime warranty, however, I don't want a total noodle. But the guys at the LBS are reliable and trustworthy and swear that they are getting feedback about how surprisingly stiff the bike is in the BB.
I never hear too many complaints about the Vortex being too flexy and I figure that maybe the Ghisallo is at least as stiff due to the compact design of bike.
I know the Lotto Adecco team will be riding these in the mountain stages and even if the riders are 170lbs, their power will be a lot more than my 185 amatuer pounds on same frame. I plan to test ride, but are there any out there that have ridden this frame or know others who have??
Please let me know.
Jan 7, 2002 8:28 PM
Jan 7, 2002 8:34 PM
|re: Litespeed Ghisallo||lol|
Jan 7, 2002 8:52 PM
Jan 7, 2002 9:15 PM
|Bizarre. I am sorry, but I don't get it!
I am just looking for some feedback. I guess you have another agenda. If anyone else out there can help me with my quesitons, I would greatly appreciate it.
|If you weigh 175 lbs||eD lOVER|
Jan 8, 2002 7:30 AM
|forget the Ghisallo. It'll be a total noodle. And what's a lifetime warranty good for if you are in the hospital after a catastrophic failure at 50MPH.|
Jan 8, 2002 8:30 AM
|For some reason this board hates anything not made in Italy. If you are looking for feedback on a litespeed you will probably have to look elsewhere.|
|re: Litespeed Ghisallo||mackgoo|
Jan 8, 2002 8:00 AM
|Check out the lattest Cycling+ at your local borders or big chain book store. It sure is a beautiful bike though. Spoken by some one who has been known to join in on the playful L.S. bashing on occasion|
Jan 8, 2002 9:48 AM
|Stiff? Are you delusional? You must be trolling to sell Ghisallos or something. Besides, what lbs in their right minds would let a bunch of local racers "test out" a $3000 frame that is really hard to sell. I have ridden a friend's Ghisallo 106 miles one day and it is the most flexible bike I have ever gotten on. Each of you, see this for yourself: go up to a ghisallo frame in your lbs and squeeze the rear triangle with one hand and you will squeeze it together over 1.5 inches. Not good. I was afraid to even do a sprint on it because it was SO unbelievably saggy and noodly. I weigh 165 lbs and I am a cat. 1 so please don't say that I must be some 200lber who rides a bike once in a while and don't know what I am talking about. Sorry if this sounds a little harsh but I really hate to see bad information on these groups when I know first hand for a fact that it is not true and your claims that the Ghisallo is stiff is pure and utter crap. And the thing that makes me laugh is that it's so obvious as soon as you ride this bike that it is not stiff. What a joke.|
|Why does everyone||Heyitsme|
Jan 8, 2002 3:20 PM
|get so crazy. I am asking for information on the frame. The LBS didn't own the bike that the guys were riding, they were riding one that they had sold and his friends were putting it through its paces. This was their experience.
I am willing to spend the same amount lets say on another bike in their store (ie. Pinarello, Colnago or a Vortex), so why would they want me on a bike that would be so obviously wrong for me? I would be a dissatisfied customer in the making and I buy many bikes there.
I made call to Litespeed today to inquire about any possible weight limits for bike and there is no rider weight limit per se. The bike is really light, but due to compact geometry, why couldn't it be stiff??? At least in the BB.
I am testing in on Saturday and will let everyone know and Litespeed told me they built one up that will be featured in Bicyling Magazine so we will see what they find. At one time they said a 4 pound frame was impossible or would be too noodly. Why not now?
A lighter bike will accelerate faster as less energy is needed to porpel it. The Lotto Team will be riding this SAME bike in the mountains. Somebody better tell them the bike sucks then. I agree, if it is crap I will call it crap. I didn't buy it yet so I have no emotions attached nor did I ever to a bicycle. I am attached to riding though.
Calm down fellas. I appreciate feedback I get on here, but I take it with a grain of salt as people lie like crazy. Maybe I am totally full of shi$, but I would like objective feedback.
You rode the bike for 106 miles? Why didn't you trade back then? And your squeeze test doesn't concern me as I can do this on most frames. Did it flex on all planes or was the bb at least stiff? Describe your experinece in more detail.
|Experience in detail||sherpa23|
Jan 8, 2002 5:46 PM
|"I agree, if it is crap I will call it crap. "
Fair enough, it won't take too long especially if you weigh 185 lbs.
"You rode the bike for 106 miles? Why didn't you trade back then? And your squeeze test doesn't concern me as I can do this on most frames. Did it flex on all planes or was the bb at least stiff? Describe your experinece in more detail."
Well, I borrowed it from a friend for one of my daily rides and I gave it back to him that night. I took it out and could not trade with him as I was alone. The bike very flexible, and I mean the bb, which is not isolated. Let me explain the principle of frame flex. I worked with one of the best frame builders in the US so I have an expert teacher in this area. Frame flex is the bottom bracket flexing like a pendulum between two fixed points - the front and rear hub. When you ride, the front and rear tire do not move on a horizontal plane, i.e. side to side, but stay fixed, therefore the hubs and the front and rear dropouts are also fixed. The bb is not fixed to anything, and it flexes from side to side in between these two fixed points. Now, if you understand that this is bb flex then you will realize that a flexy bb has little to do with the seat tube and mostly everything to do with stiff chainstays and down tube. That is why you will hear knowledgable builders tell you that you cannot have the stiffest bike with the most comfortable ride - it does not work that way. Stiffness and comfort are two opposite sides of the frame building spectrum. The right bike achieves a balance between the two. I am a sprinter and I cannot ride the stiffest bikes out there because I am too beat up at the end of a 120 mile road race to sprint. Likewise, if I have too flexy of a bike, too much power is lost in the sprint. My bike is on the stiffer side but it has a bit of comfort too. This is one of most basic premises of bike physics yet it is such a mystery to people - even bike shop owners and other racers. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask them.
|Experience in detail||Heyitsme|
Jan 8, 2002 6:32 PM
|Thanks for the response. What does your friend think of his own Ghisallo? Does he find it flexy and admit to it?
The fact that you are a racer, and I am not may matter more as far as your preference for what a frame should feel like. You may find most ti frame flexy then. Have you ridden the Vortex? I heard that isn't the stiffest bike in the world but it may be stiff enough for me.
I may be a total moron for even dropping this much on a bike that I don't need and I am far from a rich guy. Trust me, I work in the nursing home industry but I like to ride and some people spend much more on their hobbies (train collectors etc). So for all the arrogant riders that judge others by what they ride and what they feel they should be "entitled" to ride, well, they can kiss some ass.
Was the Ghisallo flexing when you really stood on the pedals or just in general? How powerful are you? Would you get on a Tuscany or a Classic or a Airborne for that matter and have the same experience?
Thanks again for any info you can offer.
|Experience in detail||sherpa23|
Jan 8, 2002 6:50 PM
|My friend likes it but he has several bikes and he does not use for anything other than showing it off. He says it's too flexy for any demanding riding. He does not race but weighs about 180 (I think) and likes nice things. I see nothing wrong with having nice/flashy/pro level bikes if you want them. I think that's cool. I mean, whenever I see some guy just cruising around in his US Postal kit on a C40 or Merlin, I say "right on." Besides, that's good for the industry and good for me. I mean, why else would I get sponsors. At any rate, I used to have a Litespeed Palmares that I got through sponsorship. Nice comfy ride but too flexy. Same thing with the Vortex. I rode a Tuscany, too. And an Ultimate. I raced a Classic in Europe in 2000. I did not notice that much of a difference between a lot of the Litespeeds. They have nice rides, for the most part, but they are all a little flexy for me. For a long time, I thought that the Palmares was stiff as hell but then I started riding some bikes with more big round tubes and realized that it was kind of flexy. Even an OCLV was stiffer than the Palmares. That's what made me open my eye. At any rate, the Ghisallo is mich flexier than any of these and it was not fun to ride. When I stood on one pedal to roll off and clip in I noticed it was flexy. On descents it was kind of a wanderer (I rode a medium frame so frame wobble is not much of an issue in that size) and it was so unnerving taking off from stop lights that I did not do any of the sprints that I was scheduled to do in that workout. I mean, who wants to break their friend's $3000 frame? At any rate, I am kind of powerful I guess. I put out 1500 w on the SRM. At any rate, ride it and see and follow Kerry's advice on the test ride.|
|Chronofiend? Californiadreamn? Undecided? nm||gtx|
Jan 8, 2002 6:53 PM
|Chronofiend? Californiadreamn? Undecided? nm||Heyitsme|
Jan 8, 2002 7:04 PM
|Why are people asking me if I am someone else?
Why put fourth the effort to keep asking. Why would anyone care and what dies it have to do with anything? Just trying to get some answers. Sorry, wrong guy (or gal).
|More funny stuff!||mickey-mac|
Jan 8, 2002 7:10 PM
|Iridefar, Roadie77, billedwards, M1A1 etc. Nine times out of ten when someone starts a Litespeed thread, you can bet it's Lazywriter using a new pseudonym.|
|More funny stuff!||gtx|
Jan 8, 2002 7:26 PM
|yeah, and I feel like an idiot for being pulled in a few times. The writing styles of Chronofiend, Californiadreamn and Undecided are identical. I'm never responding to a Litespeed post again. LOL!
Been to any Bob Forrest shows lately?
|Don't get to many shows these days||mickey-mac|
Jan 8, 2002 7:35 PM
|The last show I saw was Paul Weller in the summer. They recently held a "Class of '77 Reunion" at a local club with members of the Weirdos, Mike Watt and George Hurley of the Minutemen and fIREHOSE, Keith Morris of Circle Jerks and Black Flag, and other local luminaries from the early punk scene. I missed the show, but my 21 year old cousin went and had a blast.
"The writing styles of Chronofiend, Californiadreamn and Undecided are identical." That's why he has earned the name Lazywriter.
|Don't get to many shows these days||gtx|
Jan 8, 2002 7:50 PM
|Paul Weller sounds good. I'm a huge Jam fan, though I never got into Style Council, etc.
Regarding US punk rock, have you read this book yet? Pretty entertaining.
|Don't get to many shows these days||mickey-mac|
Jan 8, 2002 7:53 PM
|I was a big Jam fan and to a lesser extent a Style Council fan. Weller was a bit too pretentious and self-important in the Style Council days. The only "punk rock" book I've read in recent years was the Johnny Rotten/Lydon book. It was pretty entertaining.|
|I don't mean to offend you and||Heyitsme|
Jan 8, 2002 7:36 PM
|your friend Mike-mac, but why do you even "waste" your time responding then? What is your fascination with trying to link one poster with another and their writing styles?
Why on earth would you even care? There is some serious sh$# going on in the world and you perseverate on this????
Plus, Litespeed is a popular frame and does that mean that all posts about them come from one poster?
Sorry fellas, but I just don't get the fascination. Go find something important to think about because your life sure is cushy if you get involved with such triviality.
|Deep Thought with Lazywriter . . . (nm)||mickey-mac|
Jan 8, 2002 7:50 PM
Jan 8, 2002 8:04 PM
|a bunch of losers. Honestly, get a life!!!!!
You just can't seem to stop responding even though you said you wouldn't. You guys seriously need to get lives.
|C- for writing style, D for originality||mickey-mac|
Jan 8, 2002 8:13 PM
|"Honestly, get a life!!!!!" Didn't that phrase wear out its welcome in the early 90s? You've got to come up with some new material. You should probably hit the sack now; it's getting late in New Jersey.|
|Be careful with the test!||Kerry Irons|
Jan 8, 2002 5:52 PM
|Be sure to use your own wheels. Wheels/tires/tire pressure can have an incredible influence on the feel of a bike. All kinds of things have been said about how bikes ride when in fact it was the wheels that were the source of the feel.|
|re: Litespeed Ghisallo||MarkP|
Jan 8, 2002 12:32 PM
|Call the folks at Hi-Tech Bikes in San Diego (888/561-2453). They promote them pretty heavily and have quite a bit of experience selling Ghisallos.|| |