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hmm.. hampsten bikes.(32 posts)

hmm.. hampsten bikes.colker
Jan 7, 2002 3:56 PM
the perfect geometry for me. that cinghiale, that strada bianca.hmmm... dream bike.
why are there so many bikes to lust for??!!
Why are there so many beautiful women?McAndrus
Jan 7, 2002 4:31 PM
Remember Two Thingsgrzy
Jan 7, 2002 5:27 PM
For every beautiful woman you meet there is some guy who's had just about enough of her crap. In other words, yes, the grass IS often greener on the other side, but it's usually crab grass.

As guys we're hard wired to keep going after the next new attractive thing no matter if it's obtainable or not - otherwise we as a species would've vanished long ago.
Too true!! You are now the Resident Board Philosopher (nm)Jon
Jan 7, 2002 5:31 PM
Remember Two Thingsharlett
Jan 7, 2002 6:38 PM
i've always looked at "the grass is always greener" as a proverb of discontent-- your explanation could be one of the reasons i've always been gay.....besides genetics of course-- with your definition you have to remember that hypothetical questions get hypothetical answers. peace
Remember Two ThingsMJ
Jan 8, 2002 4:03 AM
I guess Grzy forgot that all gays and lesbians are in long term happy relationships where the grass is never greener and they are never promisicuous; always contented - sure

for accuracy stick with the genetic argument
Remember Two Thingsharlett
Jan 8, 2002 8:22 AM
mj.your so right -- OR.could i possibly have been talking about gender issues and the use of figurative language to create sexist images? next time i'll keep it simple for you--
Remember Two ThingsMJ
Jan 10, 2002 1:37 AM
same point still applies - Grzy must have forgotten that gays/lesbians/women never use figurative language to create sexist images - they are always good wholesome people who are never at fault in anything - in fact they are more enlightened than anyone else and their written and verbal communication always testify to that

just to make it easier for you -
I wasn't aware that women (womyn - or however it's being spelled this week) never use sexist language and that in fact it is only men who commit this hideous crime - certainly no woman has ever found the grass greener either

when you're keeping it simple next time - why don't you address the issue raised - all generalisations are wrong... I won't assume you, as a woman, read Cosmo if you don't assume the worst about a rather banal comment from a guy

anyways you're the one who mentioned genetics baby
simpleharlett
Jan 11, 2002 9:53 PM
i'll keep it as simple as i can and still try and have you understand it-- figurative language is the using of metaphors-- do you know what a metaphor is? if you did you would have realized that my line "your explanation could be the reason some of us are gay-- besides genetics of course" was a metaphor to grzy's post-- sense you seemed so confused by my post i told you it was figurative language in my response to you-- zzz and jason h didn't seem to have any problem deciphering what i was saying-- your rant looks silly and lacking in the understanding of what i was doing--
as far as addressing that all generalizations are wrong, with the metaphor that is exactly what i was doing-- along with pointing out the sexism and misunderstood genetics that grzy was using-- i hope this was simple enough--
You contradict yourself completeleyJS
Jan 8, 2002 8:24 AM
So which is it, genetics or the opposite sex are jerks? My favorite has got to be lesbian women who hate men but do everything in their power to look and act like them, what's that all about?
on the contraryJason H
Jan 8, 2002 10:24 AM
What is your definition of the word 'besides'? With the 'proverb of discontent' and the conceptual metaphors she is using exquisite logic. I think she has hit a nerve with some of you. I have read some of her past writings and noticed she likes to write in a way that makes me have to think past things to get what she is saying.
This is just what I needed to wake up my brain this morning.
An acquired tastezzz
Jan 8, 2002 3:18 PM
An old aphorism as a proverb of the human idea of discontent, the great metaphor that follows, telling us why it's a hypothetical answer, all wrapped in the original metaphor, Well Done Harlett!
*S*harlett
Jan 8, 2002 5:07 PM
.. i'm glad at least two people got it--
jason h..in my work, getting past just the words is what i like to help people think about--
zzz.you know my mind too well--

life is a dream, realize it.
Hmmmmm.....grzy
Jan 8, 2002 9:05 AM
I think you read too much into what I posted and looking for an easy explanation in genetics. I didn't really mean to highlight the same vs. opposite sex issue. One of my brothers is gay yet we all share the exact same genetics - did he get the "bad (or good) genes" and can my parents be sued? This really raises the issue of nature vs. nurture which has yet to be settled - personally I think it's a combination of both not one or the other. I mearly tried to point out that many people, mostly guys, are always looking for the next best thing - be it in a relationship, bike, or whatever. Notice that there aren't too many strip clubs for women although there are some. Once you do obtain said object of desire it isn't long before something else comes along. Guys seem a lot more hard wired to keep chasing. Ultimately everything follows the same laws of nature be it a bike, person, or relationship. It is special when one is left satisified and the choice has to be made to learn to love what you have or keep looking with the hope that one day you are no longer left wanting. Ultimately the best things in life aren't things. In many ways bike lust is easier to understand, yet it serves as a model for life in general. Hey, some people lust after tandems and 'bents......is this queer behavior? ;-)
Law of natureStarliner
Jan 8, 2002 10:02 AM
I admire your courage with this hot potato subject. Your comments beg for response, probably best left for the Non-C forum.

Nevertheless, I'll throw some fuel on the fire by saying that, for men, arousal is the key to our sexuality....for life to go on, man - not woman - must reach a state of arousal. Perhaps a corollary to your "men are hard-wired to chase" is that women are hard-wired to attract and be chased. It's the oldest, longest-running game in the world.

Lust tempered by boundaries is healthy. It's part of being in touch with our feelings. Kind of like being on a diet, but still enjoying looking over the menu and salivating at the choices. It takes a strong and healthy woman to understand this about a man, and give him permission to Be. Just as it takes a strong and healthy man to feel, and to honor and cherish that which he feels most deeply. For a man who cannot feel is a man who cannot be honorable.
Brevity is the wit of the soulShakespeare
Jan 9, 2002 12:59 PM
The metaphor she created was an exact analogy to what you said. Sexism and misrepresented Darwinism intact. I'll change the gender of another quote from the bard "The gentleman doth complain too much, methinks"
Brevity is the wit of the soulgrzy
Jan 9, 2002 2:25 PM
So if brevity is so highly valued what's the value of someone repeating an "exact analogy", or us even discussing it? I didn't really intend to imply that if one was gay then they'd be satisfied and that the grass was no longer greener on the other side. It's kinda funny when you write something that applies to 90% of the world and then spend your time discussing the overlooked 10% - just ot be PC.
"It is the mind....Shakespeare
Jan 9, 2002 3:34 PM
..... that makes the body rich" For the sake of brevity and the fact you don't seem to have any idea of what her statement meant, I'll go back to thinking about my something more important.
Remember Two ThingsSteveS
Jan 7, 2002 7:26 PM
A truth that has been learned the hard way by untold thousands of guys at great cost. Compared to the expense of this kind of hard-learned lesson,a bicycle frame-any frame is cheap. And a lot less painful if it doesn't fit your psyche.
I could also be that...Timo Vennonen
Jan 8, 2002 3:18 AM
we'll vanish because of the craving for the new things (we don't need)...
Genetics is not an excuse for behavior.........Len J
Jan 8, 2002 5:34 AM
we still have a choice. It's not the attraction that gets us in trouble, it's the action on the attraction.

Your comment about the grass always being greener is appropriate. wether it's members of the opposite sex, a job, or a bike, human nature is such that we always glamorize what we don't have. I would argue that this is not limited to the men of the species either. For every example of a man having the "wander-lust", I could probably give you an example of a women. I think it is a human tendancy to "take the easy way" and look for the next, as opposed to doing the hard work of making the most out of what we have.

Len
Why Ask Why?...Lone Gunman
Jan 8, 2002 11:00 AM
Another thought on the greener side of the fence.. Read this AM from an advice columnist; The grass got greener on the other side of the fence because there is alot of fertilizer there, and we all know what the best fertilizer is made of don't we?
Don't Worry. Be Happy.Jon
Jan 8, 2002 4:43 PM
Hey all,

Why all this erudite analysis and philosophical wisdom? Why not just enjoy the metaphor, stereotyping
and all, and have a little laugh about a homely truth? We're wired for desire. Some of us
get smart...and get detached. First, Gautama Buddha, then grzy! Go figure. Wonders never
cease.

And yeah, Harlett's a shit disturber. Be careful!! She'll either piss you off or make you think,
or both.
Don't Worry. Be Happy.harlett
Jan 8, 2002 6:14 PM
..i don't know if i should thank you for a compliment or look in our contract to see if i can sue--- *S*
metaphors are fun........

"there's a hole in my sidewalk"

an autobiography in five short chapters

.chapter one:

.i walk down the street

.there is a deep hole in the sidewalk

.i fall in

.i am lost .... i am helpless

.it isn't my fault

.it takes forever to find a way out

chapter two:

.i walk down the street

.there is a deep hole in the sidewalk

.i pretend that i don't see it

.i fall in again

.i can't believe i am in this same

.place

.but, it isn't my fault

.it still takes a long time to get out

.chapter three:

.i walk down the same street

.there is a deep hole in the sidewalk

.i see it is there

.i still fall in ... it's a habit ... but, my

.eyes are open

.i know where i am

.it is my fault

.i get out immediately

.chapter four:

.i walk down the same street

.there is a deep hole in the sidewalk

.i walk around it.

.chapter five:

.i walk down a new street.
Don't Worry. Be Happy.Jon
Jan 8, 2002 9:07 PM
Point totally well taken! Where do you find this stuff, Siddhartha? Do you guys in
universities just sit around and read books all the time? Or what?
If only life were so simple....Starliner
Jan 8, 2002 9:50 PM
.... and the hazards could be so predictable.

Your approach is fascinating, but the messages are not always clear. We're not all mind-readers here you know.
re: hmm.. hampsten bikes.DINOSAUR
Jan 8, 2002 8:38 AM
Well, I don't know about the grass being greener, I always stayed on myside of the fence, so I'll keep out of that argument. However the Hampstem Cinghiale shares the same geometry as a Merckx, don't know about the difference in price.... I think one of the problems we face is too many choices and the ever changing market with something new being introduced on a monthly basis...
re: hmm.. hampsten bikes.colker
Jan 8, 2002 10:52 AM
the same mercxx numbers? hampstens measure c-t. their 55 is a 53 c-c(maybe a 52). a 53 mercxx has a 54.3 tt while the cinghiale has a 56 top tube. on their gallery i saw bikes with smaller than norm stems.
they do have a very low head tube and i also saw stems with rise which, although make sense, i find ugly.
yes, there are too many beautifull bikes. is this bad? it's excesive. sure it is bad for the builders..
the hampsten guy lives in a farm in tuscany. now that is special....
re: hmm.. hampsten bikes.DINOSAUR
Jan 8, 2002 12:07 PM
You are probably most likely correct about the difference in geometry. I never really researched Hampsten's. I browsed a website once that sold Hampstens and I thought that the geometry sounded similar to a Mercxk.

Nice too about some guy that used to race and now lives in Italy.

Maybe too much paint is a bad idea. Maybe manfacturers are getting savy to the public and are pumping out eye popping paint jobs. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my next bike might be brushed titanium and I won't have to worry about paint...actually a Merckx Majestic caught my eye, I think they are partially painted though...
re: hmm.. hampsten bikes.gtx
Jan 8, 2002 12:25 PM
did a ride with Andy Hampsten last year when he was out here to promote his bikes (his brother handles the business--the steel bikes are built in Seattle by Ti Cycles and the ti bike is built by Moots). Anyway, he is one of the nicest guys around, and a true American bike legend. I'd love to do one of his tours in Italy some day.

http://www.cinghiale.com/
re: hmm.. hampsten bikes.DINOSAUR
Jan 9, 2002 11:52 AM
Interesting.... my wife's family is from a small village in Northern Italy, so small that you can't find it on a map. One of my quests in life is to visit Italy, the way things are going I might have one foot in the grave before we get there. Andy certainly has a very lovely wife...

You from Seattle Hank? My father's side of the family is from Seattle. My grandmother's father changed their sirname from Anderson to Friegerburg (Friegerburg means mountain in Swedish) as they loved Mt. Ranier so much..... As anyone knows, Seattle IS Mt Ranier..
re: hmm.. hampsten bikes.jschrotz
Jan 9, 2002 1:06 PM
I bought a Hampsten Cinghiale last May and am thrilled to death with it. I've always been a fan of steel, and the True Temper OX Platinum tubing they use is fantastic. It's light, stiff and comfortable over the long haul. The AME fork that they spec with their frames is incredible. If the geometry that they use suits you, I have a hard time believing you can go wrong with one of their bikes.