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Body Mass IndexDog
Dec 28, 2001 6:49 AM
Body Mass Index is an (but only one) indication of climbing ability. See how you match up against some of the world's best:

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

BMI of 1998 TdF riders (sorry, the table gets messed up when posting here):

Rider Height Weight BMI
(m) (kg)

ARROYO Miguel 1.61 59 22.7615
PELLICIOLI Oscar 1.64 54 20.0773
GONZALEZ PICO José Jaime 1.68 56 19.8413
DUFAUX Laurent 1.69 59 20.6575
HERVE Pascal 1.69 62 21.7079
VALOTTI Gianluca 1.70 54 18.6851
SIMONI Gilberto 1.70 58 20.0692
FRATTINI Francesco 1.70 60 20.7612
SAUGRAIN Cyril 1.70 62 21.4533
BERZIN Evgueni 1.70 64 22.1453
SALIGARI Marco 1.71 65 22.2291
STEPHENS Neil 1.71 65 22.2291
McEWEN Robbie 1.71 66 22.5710
GUALDI Mirco 1.71 68 23.2550
PANTANI Marco 1.72 56 18.9292
CHAURREAU Inigo 1.72 60 20.2812
SGNAOLIN Daniele 1.72 60 20.2812
CHANTEUR Pascal 1.72 62 20.9573
SIMON François 1.72 62 20.9573
CASAGRANDE Francesco 1.72 64 21.6333
HAMILTON Tyler 1.72 67 22.6474
REBELLIN Davide 1.72 67 22.6474
HEPPNER Jens 1.72 69 23.3234
BLIJLEVENS Jeroen 1.72 70 23.6614
VIDAL MARTINEZ José Angel 1.72 71 23.9995
DOJWA Jean-Philippe 1.73 58 19.3792
LUTTENBERGER Peter 1.73 60 20.0474
CUESTA Inigo 1.73 61 20.3816
LEBLANC Luc 1.73 62 20.7157
CABELLO LUQUE Francisco 1.73 65 21.7181
GOTTI Ivan 1.73 65 21.7181
MENGIN Christophe 1.73 67 22.3863
MINALI Nicola 1.73 67 22.3863
HAMBURGER Bo 1.74 58 19.1571
PIOVACCARI Giusvan 1.74 61 20.1480
FURLAN Giorgio 1.74 63 20.8086
CAMENZIND Oskar 1.74 65 21.4692
JALABERT Nicolas 1.74 68 22.4600
KOKORINE Vitali 1.74 68 22.4600
ABDOUJAPAROV Djamolidine 1.74 70 23.1206
ESCARTIN COTI Fernando 1.74 74 24.4418
GIANETTI Mauro 1.75 62 20.2449
TOTSCHNIG Georg 1.75 62 20.2449
ROMINGER Tony 1.75 65 21.2245
LELLI Massimiliano 1.75 66 21.5510
BOARDMAN Chris 1.75 68 22.2041
GARMENDIA Aitor 1.75 68 22.2041
PIEROBON Gianluca 1.75 69 22.5306
FRASER Gordon 1.75 70 22.8571
DJAVANIAN Viatcheslav 1.76 64 20.6612
FONTANELLI Fabiano 1.76 68 21.9525
JALABERT Laurent 1.76 68 21.9525
EKIMOV Viatcheslav 1.76 69 22.2753
ZABEL Erik 1.76 69 22.2753
BAFFI Adriano 1.76 70 22.5981
FINCATO Marco 1.76 70 22.5981
VAN BON Leon 1.76 71 22.9210
O'GRADY Stuart 1.76 73 23.5666
TCHMIL Andrei 1.76 75 24.2123
STRAZZER Massimo 1.77 68 21.7051
DESBIENS Laurent 1.77 69 22.0243
PASCUAL SOLER Manuel 1.77 69 22.0243
BARANOWSKI Dariusz 1.77 70 22.3435
BELTRAN MARTINEZ Manuel 1.78 60 18.9370
BOOGERD Michaël 1.78 61 19.2526
VANDENBROUCKE Frank 1.78 64 20.1995
BUENAHORA GUTIERREZ Hernan 1.78 65 20.5151
GUERINI Giuseppe 1.78 65 20.5151
LANCE Pascal 1.78 65 20.5151
BLANCO GIL Santiago 1.78 66 20.8307
ARRIETA LUJAMBIO José Luis 1.78 68 21.4619
BROGNARA Andrea 1.78 68 21.4619
FAGNINI Gian Matteo 1.78 70 22.0932
SORENSEN Rolf 1.78 70 22.0932
TALMANT Gilles 1.78 70 22.0932
LOMBARDI Giovanni 1.78 73 23.0400
GOUVENOU Thierry 1.78 74 23.3556
ZARRABEITIA Mikel 1.79 63 19.6623
BARTOLI Michele 1.79 65 20.2865
VIRENQUE Richard 1.79 65 20.2865
ZBERG Markus 1.79 69 21.5349
TARTAGGIA Giuseppe 1.79 70 21.8470
TRAVERSONI Mario 1.79 70 21.8470
BOLTS Udo 1.79 73 22.7833
OUTSCHAKOV Serguei 1.79 73 22.7833
SCHMIDT Torsten 1.79 73 22.7833
STEELS Tom 1.79 73 22.7833
BALDATO Fabio 1.80 60 18.5185
ROBIN Jean-Cyril 1.80 63 19.4444
SIERRA Roberto 1.80 66 20.3704
ELLI Alberto 1.80 68 20.9877
LAUKKA Joona 1.80 68 20.9877
BROCHARD Laurent 1.80 69 21.2963
FARAZIJN Peter 1.80 69 21.2963
PILLON Laurent 1.80 69 21.2963
BRASI Rossano 1.80 70 21.6049
CONTI Roberto 1.80 70 21.6049
NELISSEN Danny 1.80 70 21.6049
PLANCKAERT Jo 1.80 70 21.6049
VASSEUR Cédric 1.80 70 21.6049
ARTUNGHI Marco 1.80 71 21.9136
JEMISON Marty 1.80 71 21.9136
BORTOLAMI Gianluca 1.80 74 22.8395
FOIS Valentino 1.81 64 19.5354
FRIGO Dario 1.81 65 19.8407
SIBONI Marcello 1.81 66 20.1459
HEULOT Stéphane 1.81 69 21.0616
ALONSO MONJE Marino 1.81 70 21.3669
LECCHI Angelo 1.81 70 21.3669
ZEN Marco 1.81 70 21.3669
TOSSATO Matteo 1.81 71 21.6721
ODRIOZOLA Jon 1.81 73 22.2826
NARDELLO Daniele 1.81 74 22.5878
DEKKER Erik 1.82 66 19.9251
PODENZANA Massimo 1.82 67 20.2270
ROUS Didier 1.82 70 21.1327
HENN Christian 1.82 71 21.4346
JAERMANN Rolf 1.82 73 22.0384
MONCASSIN Frédéric 1.82 73 22.0384
TETERIOUK Andrei 1.82 73 22.0384
RUE Gérard 1.82 74 22.3403
OLANO MANZANO Abraham 1.82 76 22.9441
GENTY Laurent 1.82 80 24.1517
DEN BAKKER Maarten 1.83 70 20.9024
JIMENEZ SASTRE José Maria 1.83 70 20.9024
LIVINGSTON Kevin 1.83 70 20.9024
PERON Andrea 1.83 70 20.9024
PRETOT Arnaud 1.83 71 21.2010
JULICH Bobby 1.83 73 21.7982
LODA Nicola 1.83 73 21.7982
ULLRICH Jan 1.83 73 21.7982
CASERO MORENO Angel Luis 1.83 74 22.0968
GONTCHENKOV Alexander 1.83 74 22.0968
VOGELS Henk 1.83 75 22.3954
JASKULA Zenon 1.83 76 22.6940
GONZALEZ GUTIERREZ Arsenio 1.84 62 18.3129
MAULEON Javier 1.84 62 18.3129
JONKER Patrick 1.84 69 20.3804
MUSEEUW Johan 1.84 70 20.6758
RIIS Bjarne 1.84 71 20.9712
CENGHIALTA Bruno 1.84 73 21.5619
CREPALDI Mirko 1.84 76 22.4480
VANZELLA Flavio 1.84 78 23.0388
BREUKINK Erik 1.85 70 20.4529
SCINTO Luca 1.85 71 20.7451
BOURGUIGNON Thierry 1.85 72 21.0373
GUESDON Frédéric 1.85 72 21.0373
DERAME Pascal 1.85 73 21.3294
WAUTERS Marc 1.85 73 21.3294
GAUMONT Philippe 1.85 76 22.2060
PEETERS Wilfried 1.85 76 22.2060
MADOUAS Laurent 1.86 69 19.9445
MOREAU Christophe 1.86 71 20.5226
LINO Pascal 1.86 72 20.8117
ZULLE Alex 1.86 72 20.8117
DE VRIES Gerrit 1.86 75 21.6788
GARCIA ACOSTA José Vicente 1.86 76 21.9679
TAFI Andrea 1.87 73 20.8756
SCIANDRI Maximilian 1.87 75 21.4476
BUSCHOR Philipp 1.87 76 21.7335
FINCO Carlo 1.88 74 20.9371
ANDREU Frankie 1.88 77 21.7859
FORNACIARI Paolo 1.90 70 19.3906
MEINERT-NIELSEN Peter 1.90 73 20.2216
CIPOLLINI Mario 1.90 76 21.0526
COLOMBO Luca 1.90 78 21.6066
PADRNOS Pavel 1.90 83 22.9917
ALDAG Rolf 1.91 75 20.5586
HINCAPIE George 1.91 83 22.7516
POLI Eros 1.94 85 22.5848

Average 1.79 68.75 21.4701

http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1998/feb98/feb6.html

I think Lance runs around 21 at the Tour.

BTW, I'm at 22.9, which partially explains my relatively slow climbing. If we could only get down into the 18's like Pantani...

Dog
I match Massimo Stazzer exactly, hmmm - nmJohn-d
Dec 28, 2001 6:57 AM
22.3 and a "decent" climber ... for an old man.... nmCT1
Dec 28, 2001 7:02 AM
22.3 and a "decent" climber ... for an old man.... nmmorey
Dec 28, 2001 7:12 AM
I weigh 200# at a height 0f 5'10". I would have to lose at least 50#. I would die!!!!!!
just look at the "bright side" of this......CT1
Dec 28, 2001 7:19 AM
I bet you go down hills very-very fast.... and probably also have an advantage on the flats too. :)

ride on
JohnG
just look at the "bright side" of this......morey
Dec 28, 2001 7:24 AM
Actually, I am really fast downhills. I can leave my son in the dust because he only weighs 160 lbs. I also can ride with him in the flats. Hills ***- He really leaves me in the dust!!!!
I never realized being skinny was good for somethingErik W
Dec 28, 2001 5:42 PM
At 5'10" and 135 pounds my BMI is 19.4. I've only been road riding for a year or so but I do well at climbing. Finally! Being a bean pole pays off.
Erik W
re: Body Mass Indexbadabill
Dec 28, 2001 7:35 AM
They consider above 25 as overwieght, seems a bit low. At 5'10" 165lb I come in at 23.7, and I work hard to keep that low. Body type plays a big part. As a former wide body who worked for a year to get the wieght off I dont put much stock in these charts. Interesting to see how many people would be considered overwieght. I think factoring in HR for a total fitness # would be more use to most.
re: Body Mass Indexmorey
Dec 28, 2001 7:41 AM
As a former competitive bodybuilder I tried to go down in weight, hit 173#, I looked skeletal, in fact my wife advised me to stop. I competed at 198#, body fat 2-3%,
now I am still 12-14%. I just cannot get as low as these figures suggest. My resting HR is 54-56. I am 59yo. I think I am in good shape. I would have to die to weigh 130-140 lbs.
re: Body Mass Indexbadabill
Dec 28, 2001 7:52 AM
I got down to 160 and was told the same thing, even at 165 this xmas was told by everyone to keep eating because I looked to thin!
re: Body Mass Indexmorey
Dec 28, 2001 8:13 AM
One of the guys that rides with us is 5'9" and 127 #, he is always having trouble staying with us on the flats, and downhills he disappears. However, he is a decent climber.
I guess you have to be really light to propel yourself up a hill!
I think that often "You look to thin." really meansdzrider
Dec 28, 2001 8:34 AM
You look thinner than me!
This doesn't make sensecyclinseth
Dec 28, 2001 7:42 AM
By their calculations wouldn't the guy on the cover of "Muscle-Head Magazine" be considered obese? Due to his hieght and wieght his bmi would be through the roof.
not obeseDog
Dec 28, 2001 8:52 AM
No, he'd not be obese, but he'd never lead the charge up Ventoux.

Dog
BMI has limitations.salmonwheel
Dec 28, 2001 11:39 AM
One is that it should not be used for very muscular people. Every place I've seen BMI calculations or charts it says somewhere that the BMI is not a valid health indicator for muscular people. For such a simple calculation to work it has to be based on average people and average people aren't very muscular. I know I am a little denser than most, but for me it comes from my extra thick head not my muscular physique. I've been fat, I've been thin, and the BMI doesn't measure for me too well at all. When I started getting fit again my BMI went way down at first and then increased because after I lost the fat, I focused more on strengthtraining (i think I'm more fit because of it, but I haven't checked an indicators).

It seems that BMI could be a useful indicator for climbing ability, but wouldn't pure weight be better. How does height offset the energy needed to move weight up a hill on a bike with fairly standard wheel size and crank length. Or is height somehow related to leg strength. Just my thoughts.
23.7 !!MisJG
Dec 28, 2001 7:50 AM
5'9", 160.5#, Currently at 23.7, but that's in the off season, after a bad season (I torn my right quadraceps at the beginning of August), after the holidays. . . but even at what I consider to be my fighting weight (146), I am still only at 21.6!! And honestly, I don't feel healthy too far below 150 (BMI 22.1). So what does all this mean? I consider myself to be a "decent" climber. I always thought climbing ability was acheived through training. Granted, a really fat guy is going to have to carry a lot more weight over the hills, but what if that weight is all muscle? Muscle weighs more than fat, so BMI is relitavly uslessas a measure of fitness if you are a bodybuilder [I'm not, but I consider my legs to be nicely muscled. In fact, when I tore my quad in august, the doc at the ER said that I had a "tremendous" (whatever the muscle is that just above the knee toward the inside of the leg)] Well, I've gotten off on a tangent so. . . Now I feel fat, anyone know where I can get some EPO? It seems to have worked for Pantani (allegedly)
about climbingDog
Dec 28, 2001 8:49 AM
I'm looking at BMI not so much from the perspective of whether is means you are healthy, or even a good over all cyclist. As it relates to climbing ability, though, I think it does have some correlation. Even a very powerful and fit rider at 24 BMI will have a hard time up a steep hill because much of his mass is not directly contributing to counteracting gravity, which has a greater effect on him than a Pantani.

Nonetheless, there is only so much you can do. Once you get body fat down around 5-7%, you flirt with disaster in going lower. At some point you just "are what you are", and have to accept that, I suppose, unless you voluntarily undergo chemotherapy to change your body composition.

Of course, BMI says nothing about power, efficiency, lactate threshold, or body composition. I do think it is one significant predictor of climbing ability, though.

Dog
about climbingJon
Dec 28, 2001 9:38 AM
You make a good point about more heavily muscled people carrying "non-functional" body mass in the
upper body. Bottom line? Do the best you can with what you've been given. My BMI this summer was 22.4 and
I was beating a few of the bigger guys up hills who normally hurt me on the flats. Note that the best climbers
are under 21 and the sprinters are 22-24.
Cool info. Thanks, Dog!nigel
Dec 28, 2001 9:39 AM
I'm at 22.7 right now (with a little extra winter weight on), but will be down to 22.0 or a bit lower once the racing season kicks in come spring.

Neat numbers, and interesting (and motivational) when compared with the top pros. This doesn't, of course, take into account muscle vs. fat, but it was an interesting evaluation, nonetheless.

Cheers,
Nige
Indicator of climbing ability, yes. Healthy, not necessarily...js5280
Dec 28, 2001 9:40 AM
I agree w/ you Doug that BMI would be an decent indicator of climbing ability. Mass is mass and the laws of gravity undeniable. I think this has to assume that power output increases proportionately w/ height though. That is, a 150lb. cyclist w/ a 23 BMI has a lower power output than a 175lb. cyclist also w/ a 23 BMI.

As an indicator of health, I don't think so. Otherwise I would venture to guess only med-large frame individuals who are endurance athletes or naturally small build people aren't overweight by this standard. I find it hard to believe there aren't two tables for males and females because our bodies are so different. Plus the difference in weight between muscle and fat isn't accounted for; I could be a tubby 6'0" but slim build person and have the same BMI as a 6'0" large build person who sports six-pack abs. Personally I float around 25 but I'm a medimum build person. I don't consider my self overweight, but I know of a few lbs I wouldn't mind losing and work on it in moderation. I once had a BMI under 23 but I certainly wasn't healthy, it was at the end of 6 weeks of chemo.

On the upside, most Americans have had a few Super Sized Combo meals too many so if this motivates them to lose a few pounds, that's a good thing. Healthy people are happy people, and it reduces health insurance costs. I think the term overweight is very subjective, just like defining poverty. It all depends on how you're making the comparison.
BMI =19.65Maverick
Dec 28, 2001 9:53 AM
i'm a climber by nature. love to climb and always will. a bit slow at downhills but no problem on flats.
BMI =19.0OTG
Dec 28, 2001 10:35 AM
6', 140lbs.
Newbie, just got a bike, don't know how good i am yet. I do like hills, though, and am not too fast down or on the flats.
I was down around 18.4 when rowing this summer.

-owen
17.2 (nm)Allen az
Dec 28, 2001 10:25 AM
very coolDuane Gran
Dec 28, 2001 11:03 AM
I rated at 20.7, which I guess puts me in good company but it doesn't explain why I'm not a pro. :( Just kidding. Good topic.
Holy Big Macs, I've Entered The Land Of The Ectomorphs...Greg Taylor
Dec 28, 2001 1:48 PM
Ok, 6' + 190 lbs. = the Anti-Pantani. Oh great, now I feel fat -- is this some sort of conspiracy by you unhappy (and hungry) ectomorphs to make us NORMAL people feel bad? Geez, why don't you skinny guys go eat a box of Oreos or something...that is, if you have enough muscles to pick it up. ;^)

More seriously, I wonder what big trackies like Marty Nothstein clock in at?
Holy Big Macs, I've Entered The Land Of The Ectomorphs...Jon
Dec 28, 2001 5:52 PM
Probably 25 or 26. Have you ever seen Curt Harnett's thighs? About the size
of Herschel Walker's, and I'm not kidding! A racer friend of mine, who should
know, tells me that Nothstein's track bike weighs 25 lbs. He needs a heavy
stiff bike that won't flex all over the place when he hammers it!!
re: Body Mass IndexMike P
Dec 28, 2001 7:28 PM
I am at 22.2. One year and a half ago I would have been 24.5. I was spending a lot more time rock climbing then and my upper body was much larger due to the muscle. I weighed 170 then and 155 now. Much of the upper body muscle mass has gone away. I am considerably faster going up hill now but attribute that more to training rather than my decrease in body mass. And just to keep things fair for my brain, I am a fred that rides often with a camelback. . . that contains two 5 lb weights.

I do beleive BMI is part of the equation for the real racer folks though.

Mike