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New Cannondale CAAD 7(15 posts)

New Cannondale CAAD 7kushogun
Dec 21, 2001 9:10 AM
Sweet new bike. I think, if I can read the scale correctly, it falls under 14lbs. Who knows.
re: New Cannondale CAAD 7kushogun
Dec 21, 2001 9:11 AM
Sorry, here's the link...
http://lightweight.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/caad7.jpg
Why would they put it on a scale without pedals???biknben
Dec 21, 2001 9:28 AM
Bike doesn't have pedals. Why would they do that? Totaly leaves the door open for the skeptics. If it's not ready to ride why bother putting it on the scale.

Anyway, add the weight of your favorite pedals and that's the weight of the bike. 14.7-15 lbs is my guess.

BTW: I like the bike. But I'm a little biased since ride a CADD5.
well, one could argue that's the fairest wayET
Dec 21, 2001 9:57 AM
Since pedals, and the mandatory pedal/cleat combos, for that matter, all weigh different amounts, the least biased way to measure a bike's weight would be without pedals. So for official stats, I think w/o pedals should be the standard. OTOH, if you want to know the more silly "how much can any complete bike weigh?", put Speedplay X/1s on it. If you want to know how much weight you're lugging up that hill, using your pedals would be the way to go. Not to mention bottles and holders, shoes, fat tummy, etc. :-)
does UCI reg include pedals???bn
Dec 21, 2001 10:07 AM
oh no...cyclopathic
Dec 21, 2001 10:09 AM
not the fat tummy!
but you could say that for any component of the bike...biknben
Dec 21, 2001 10:30 AM
Pedals have different weights, yes, but so do wheels, drivetrain, etc. We'd have to strip it down to the frame to create an unbiased measurement.

Sorry, I'm not venting at you. I'm a weight weenie and find it humorous to see how manufactures play games to reduce claimed weight. I don't think C'Dale was attempting to fool anyone, but hanging a bike on a scale with everything except pedals just seems silly to me.
Except, that's the way they sell it. nmMel Erickson
Dec 21, 2001 10:33 AM
Pedals, yes or no?bikedodger
Dec 21, 2001 10:33 AM
If the bike is sold without pedals then what pedal should they put on to weigh it with? I always thought that if the pedal weight should also include the cleat as they are required and the total weight should be what is important.

Mike
WHO REALLY CARES ?!?!?! It's a nice bike. nmclimbo
Dec 21, 2001 11:15 AM
nm
WHO REALLY CARES ?!?!?! It's a nice bike. nmkyroadie
Dec 21, 2001 11:23 AM
Thank you!
you mean, WHO REALLY CARES It's a nice bike. :-) nmET
Dec 21, 2001 12:05 PM
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no, the standard complete bike is sold only one wayET
Dec 21, 2001 11:43 AM
If people want a frame contest, they can have that too, although even here they can play frame size/angle games, e.g. if a company uses one of those fake c-t measurements--so that a 56 is really a 54 to you and me--they get an unfair weight advantage, sort of like what goes on in the running shoe industry (label a size 8 pair of shoes a 9, build it with a crush-the-toes toebox only a fashion-conscious little Italian can fit his foot in, and win the weight weenie contest). Steep angles and short top tubes are another trick; it just isn't fair to compare a steep-angled, short-tubed Colnago to another nominally same-sized bike with gentler angles and longer tubes.

But a complete bike is usually sold one way, for a price more or less fixed (if not, it's really a frame contest). Sure you could change handlebar/stem/headset/wheels/etc to superexpenesive superlight carbon pieces of sh*t that will hold up for one ride, but presumably the mass buyer doesn't want that as standard equipment and they aren't selling it as such. And yes, some bikes use lighter, more expensive stuff than others, but I think cyclists are mature enough to factor price and durability into their purchases (on second thought, maybe not :-)).

OTOH, I view bike weight sans pedals as natural, because better bikes are usually sold that way, given rider preference for his own pedal and the drawback of having to pay for pedals one doesn't want. This has the advantage of avoiding the thorny pedal/cleat issue and so gives an objective weight measure (although not bike-complete) with which to compare.
and now, what about the saddle?cyclinseth
Dec 22, 2001 8:08 PM
that's kind of a personal preference like pedals are. shouldn't that be an option also?
Seems a little silly to quibble overdzrider
Dec 21, 2001 12:15 PM
Any self-respecting weight-weenie knows to the gram what his or her pedals weigh. Those that can't add in their heads probably carry ultra-light calculators. The rest of us don't care that much.