|Real-World Campy group feedback||jc|
Dec 19, 2001 7:35 PM
|I would appreciate real world feedback on Campy 10-speed Daytona/Centaur and Chorus. It's time to replace the Campy 8-speed Veloce-Athena-Chorus-Record hybrid group I've ran for the past 6.5 years with something new. My old Campy has lasted forever. I conservatively estimate it has 30k miles on it, with the only non-original parts being cassettes (gone through a few), bottom bracket, and chains.
I'm going to go with either Centaur or Chorus. I don't want to spend the $$ for Record (and I know I don't need it). I'd like to hear opinions on the differences between Chorus and Centaur/Daytona.
A little about me and my riding: I'm a late 20s former shop mechanic (worked my way through college and grad school) and racer (emphasis on former racer) who rides hard and often for fitness and fun (decidedly not in that order). I ride an older steel Serotta that I got in my shop days. Not hung up with weight, but I don't want a pig either. Into reliability and durability first, weight and cool second. Prefer Campy, but not biased against Shimano.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
|re: Real-World Campy group feedback||gtx|
Dec 19, 2001 8:25 PM
|need or want? My 12 year old DA equipped road bike has something like 40-50K on it, but I replace stuff as it wears out, and so the bike basically still feels "new" (though I guess some people would call it heavy and out of date). But if I was going to go for a whole new group, I'd go for Chorus, which is cheaper than DA, functionally just as good as Record, and really not much more money than Centaur. Check the prices here:
|re: Real-World Campy group feedback||CT1|
Dec 19, 2001 9:15 PM
|If bucks are tight get the Chorus crank and BB and everything else Cent.
BTW: I've used all three groups and there is virtually no performance difference between them other than the crank/BB stiffness.
C10 stuff is GREAT!
|Whatever you feel like.||Leisure|
Dec 20, 2001 1:46 AM
|I was close to getting Chorus, but didn't want to wait, so I went ahead and got Daytona. I've been pretty happy with it but haven't logged that many miles on it yet. What's different:
1. Chorus shifters use bearings instead of Daytona's bushings, and I'm not aware if Daytona's bushings can be switched over to bearings in the future.
2. There's a piece of plastic in the center of the Daytona cassette. It doesn't look like a big deal as far as function/longevity is concerned, and isn't noticable when the thing is assembled. In retrospect I might have switched it out anyway, though.
3. Daytona's BB is heavier. Somebody posted recently about 70g of difference. I think that figures to 2.5oz.?
4. Chorus's surface is polished.
5. Chorus's skewers are a bit nicer. The rest of the hubs are the same, which I think is Daytona's best asset.
I think you can feel safe getting what you pay for either way. Shifter bearings aside the longevity should be comparable.
|re: Real-World Campy group feedback||davidl|
Dec 20, 2001 3:54 AM
|Based on your criteria of reliability and durability first, I would go with daytona. I have both a daytona/veloce bike and a chorus equipped one. I like the way each works - the chorus is a little smoother, but IMHO I think it's just personal preference - just different. Performance is a dead heat. My next bike will probably be centaur 10. You can't do wrong with either one. Just my 2 cents....|
|Chorus & Daytona||McAndrus|
Dec 20, 2001 4:56 AM
|My older bike, steel Bianchi, is Veloce which I ride at least once a week. After 7 years it still shifts just fine.
The newer bike is Daytona with Chorus shifters. If I knew then what I know now I'd have a Chorus BB and cranks for the weight. I think the most significant different would be in the shifting performance. Chorus will be a touch better shifting: quicker and smoother. If your not racing, that probably doesn't matter.
|re: Real-World Campy group feedback||tarwheel|
Dec 20, 2001 5:00 AM
|I haven't used Daytona but have about 6 months/3,500 miles of use on my 10-speed Chorus group. I am very happy with it (except for one thing) and it gets smoother and smoother all the time. My one gripe is the 10-speed chain, which I think needs some improvement. Mine started shifting a little sloppy at around 3,000 miles, although I've cleaned and lubed it regularly. The Permalink is a pain in the butt, and as you probably know, you need the special Campy tool to change the chain. Since you're a former shop mechanic that may not be an issue, but it bothers me that I could break my chain out on the road somewhere and not be able to fix it. If money is at all an issue, I would opt for the 9-speed Chorus group, which costs about the same as a 10-speed Dayton, and you could have the better chain.|
|re: Real-World Campy group feedback||SnowBlind|
Dec 20, 2001 9:07 AM
|I just moved from a Veloce/chorus/Record Bianchi (3 years) to Chorus/Record (Record headset/crank/hubs/Ti-steel cogs) 10 as well. Chorus has ball bearings in the shifters where the lower groupos have a bushing. Chorus will go at least 12,000 of VERY hard riding (i.e. he has no car) before a rebuild of the shifters (based on my riding partners experence, J spring failed). The diference is mainly durablity and smooth shifting. WORLD of diff between Veloce and Chorus. Chalk and Cheese as my Aussie mate says.
Is it worth the extra $500? I figure I am going to put 3000-4500 miles on this year, and the group should last 5 to 10 years, so yeah, get the Chorus. You'll love it.
P.S. could bought Record everywhere, but wanted real metal anywhere it might get hit (gotta love Cat5 crits!).
|re: Real-World Campy group feedback||Crash|
Dec 20, 2001 9:51 AM
|Sorry I can't give you alot of advise on Campy, but I wanted to mention that someone on Ebay is selling brand new (2002) complete Centaur and Chorus groups. If I remember right the buy now price for the Centaur was 495, Chorus was 695. I have nothing to do with the sale, but the price seemed good to me !|
|re: Real-World Campy group feedback||BrianU|
Dec 20, 2001 4:17 PM
|I have not used Campy, but the fastest person that I personally know does and swears by it. He is a Cat 2 racer and takes great pride in spanking people with his 8 speed Chorus equipment that I think he has owned for about 8 years. He told me last summer that he estimates his wheels have about 60,000 miles on them.|| |