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Mystery Colnago(23 posts)

Mystery Colnagojtolleson
Dec 15, 2001 2:44 PM
There's a mysterious Colnago on eBay right now. Not knowing Colnago bikes very well, I can't tell what model this is, or whether it is steel or aluminum.

Also, it was supposedly built two years ago with Campy Athena. Where does that fall in the Campy lineup?

I'm trying to post the link, but I'm skeptical...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1044371787
re: Mystery Colnagomerckx56
Dec 15, 2001 2:51 PM
it's a colnago superissimo. it was colnago's entry level steel frame about three years ago. they were made with columbus tubing that was akin to italian waterpipe. it has the straight chrome fork. athena is eight speed stuff. it was replaced by daytona which is being replaced by centaur.
it'd be a good beater or rain bike, but technology has passed it by!
re:Seriously...???? (nm)Rusty Coggs
Dec 16, 2001 8:35 AM
nm
yes, actually!merckx56
Dec 16, 2001 10:43 AM
yes, actually!Rusty Coggs
Dec 16, 2001 3:05 PM
I was givin you the benefit of the doubt,but you aparently don't have a clue.Alot of that on the forums these days........
my lack of a clue.merckx56
Dec 16, 2001 6:09 PM
the superissimo and the crystal are, in fact, the same waterpipe frame. don't try to take the high ground and make everyone believe that you have every grain of knowledge. i've read most of your posts, and you seem to come off like someone who can talk a good game but probably doesn't actually ride (three days a week doesn't count!). three year old campy shit is, indeed, technologically impaired in campy's world of planned obselescence. if you really want to ride over-priced italian steel, then by all means get a colnago...oh, that's right, you can't anymore.
when your mileage and your i.q. fall into line, get back to me! btw smart guy, you mis-spelled apparently! stop being a dick and ride your bike more! it's not about what you know, it's about how you go!
3 years old and obsolete?Timo Vennonen
Dec 16, 2001 11:42 PM
I'm curious to know what's wrong with the three year old Campy stuff. Functionally it can't be any worse than it was all those years (3) ago. If the manufacturer has revamped its line after that, it doesn't mean the older stuff is suddenly inferior and has to be avoided whatever the cost.
3 years old and obsolete?merckx56
Dec 17, 2001 6:34 AM
i never said that it was functionally deficient, i merely stated that campy tends to introduce new stuff so often that it makes the old stuff obsolete. how long was the record carbon 9 out before 10 came down the pipe? if the bike does have 9 speed, then it will be no problem to find replacement bits. if it is eight speed, good luck and i hope you get paid well. everyone who rides campy will always argue that it's better than shimano, and that's your right. personally, if it doesn't say dura-ace, i don't get on it, and that's my right! it wasn't a personal attack on you and your campy equipment, so get over it. i was merely making a personal observation on what i have seen over my last 7 years in the bike business. it that time, campy has rendered many of it's own, as well as shimano's, parts obsolete. happy monday! try some de-caf!
What is this, obsolete?TJeanloz
Dec 17, 2001 9:46 AM
I don't really understand why you insist that Campagnolo makes its old products obsolete. They are one of the only companies in the industry that continue to produce most of their old stock. They still make 8 speed cassettes, and all the parts for 8 speed are still available. Obsolete would be the case for stuff that is incompatible with what is currently produced- but Campy still produces all of the eight speed parts. And haters love to complain about how expensive the parts are- I'll point out that an 8 speed cassette is significantly cheaper than a 10 speed cassette. In fact, a simple look around (excel sports) reveals that they're less than HALF the cost of a 10.

Furthermore, Athena was not an exclusively 8 speed group. In the last two years of its existence, 1998 & 1999, it was a nine speed group. And any of those nine speed levers can be converted to 10 speed relatively inexpensively. So, even if they did make 9 obsolete, they give an affordable way to upgrade.
What is this, obsolete?merckx56
Dec 17, 2001 10:39 AM
why do you always seem to have the answer? if you want to ride the stuff, fine. i said it was your right. if i didn't have 8 sets of wheels, i would go campy ten, honest.
i never said that athena was only 8 speed! read the post before answering next time. i like campy stuff, but just don't ride it. you and rusty aren't brothers are you? you both seem to know all of the answers. the way i was using obsolete, oh god of the cycling dorks, was to reference the fact that every time a customer buys a campy group, campy then puts out something better, or lighter, or more trick.
you have no argument for that, huh? the point was that you may not want or even need the new stuff, but campy will put it out there so you save your precious sheckels to buy it. thus, you old stuff goes in a box and isn't used, thereby making it obsolete. this will be my last post on this subject, as i am tiring of people like you! go ride your bike!
I would be riding,TJeanloz
Dec 17, 2001 10:53 AM
But I try to avoid riding in freezing rain, and that's our current condition.

I view my purpose here is to use my nearly infinite experience to correct factual inaccuracies of many posters.

In response, you did say that Athena was 8speed- look at your first post in this thread: "Athena is 8 speed stuff."

Campy does constantly improve their product line. I can't fault them for that. But they do not compell people to buy the latest and greatest- quite the opposite, by providing spare parts, they encourage riders to use older equipment for a longer period of time.
agree that there are many who post factual inaccuracies, BUTJS
Dec 17, 2001 12:02 PM
to say that you have "nearly infinite experience" is a little full of yourself, dontcha think?
agree that there are many who post factual inaccuracies, BUTTJeanloz
Dec 18, 2001 8:22 AM
Those who know me know that there is no bound to my own arrogance.
dude, you're harshing my buzzgtx
Dec 17, 2001 11:19 AM
Why not relax a bit? You don't haven to make everything personal.

"oh god of cycling dorks"--good one. How old are you, anyway?
What is this, obsolete?merckx56
Dec 17, 2001 10:40 AM
why do you always seem to have the answer? if you want to ride the stuff, fine. i said it was your right. if i didn't have 8 sets of wheels, i would go campy ten, honest.
i never said that athena was only 8 speed! read the post before answering next time. i like campy stuff, but just don't ride it. you and rusty aren't brothers are you? you both seem to know all of the answers. the way i was using obsolete, oh god of the cycling dorks, was to reference the fact that every time a customer buys a campy group, campy then puts out something better, or lighter, or more trick.
you have no argument for that, huh? the point was that you may not want or even need the new stuff, but campy will put it out there so you save your precious sheckels to buy it. thus, you old stuff goes in a box and isn't used, thereby making it obsolete. this will be my last post on this subject, as i am tiring of people like you! go ride your bike!
why bother asking the questionKT
Dec 17, 2001 7:47 PM
if you've already answered it? Are you just trying to set yourself up to look smart? And why the need to come back at Timo with some sny remarks when his comment was rather civil?
3 years old and obsolete?Timo Vennonen
Dec 18, 2001 5:39 AM
The remark I made was simply to argue that my (or yours) Campy/Shimano/Sachs/Huret/younameit equipment is perfectly ok even if the manufacturer introduced some new stuff to lure their customers. If you feel that you can't ride stuff that's obsolete in a sense that there's a new version of it around, then be it. But the obsolescence is in the users' mind only. You can happily continue riding the Record 9 unless you're sure that you *need* the 10. Which of course most of us do. That's the name of the game, that's how the progress, well, progresses, whether we want it or not.

I didn't feel you were attacking Campy. And I wasn't defending Campagnolo because there's no need for that. You as a consumer make your own choices.

I ride both Shimano and Campy and like them both.
Forget Campymickey-mac
Dec 18, 2001 6:55 AM
This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read here: "you seem to come off like someone who can talk a good game but probably doesn't actually ride (three days a week doesn't count!)." So, in addition to having all the facts about Italian steel and Campy, you get to decide who "actually" rides? I can't decide whether I'm more impressed by your omniscience or your omnipotence.
i love my waterpipeslow-ron
Dec 17, 2001 8:12 AM
that hurts, i've got a similar model and to a poser like myself it's a sweet ride.
GAS pipe actually (unless you mean bong)nm
Dec 17, 2001 8:20 AM
Colnago crystal?colker
Dec 15, 2001 3:06 PM
check gvhbikes. there's a 56 colnago, very similar to this one. built with athena and aero wheels.. it must be a somewhat heavy bike.
re: Mystery ColnagoRusty Coggs
Dec 16, 2001 8:32 AM
It's steel. Probably a crystal or classic since only the chainstay and head lugs are chromed. fork is Colnago chromed steel.Believe 1998 was last year for athena 9,which was below record and chorus at the time.
re: Mystery Colnagoguido
Dec 17, 2001 7:24 PM
I'd take it in a heartbeat! Is that a Colombus sticker on the seat tube? Chrome lugs! Straight fork blades. Hardly a scratch on it. That Campy stuff will go forever. By the time you need to replace anything, you'll be so sick of the same old stuff, you'll be glad it finally broke.

Rain bike? Heck no. That'll make a good Sunday century bike, or a show bike for catered rides. It may weigh a couple of pounds more than today's composite wonders, but the ride can only be sweeter for it!