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Question to Look riders!!!(12 posts)

Question to Look riders!!!cioccman
Dec 14, 2001 1:40 PM
I've never owned one but I am suddenly confronted with something that may put one in my stable as my new 2002 racer which I've been cautiously planning for over the past two months. The model is the 361.

They are different geometrically than what I've always ridden. The TT length of the size I'm looking for uses a 72.5 ST angle and has about a centimeter or two shorter seat tube, measured to top and to top of collar. There is a good chance I won't be able to get on a Look of my size before I purchase this frame, if I do purchase it.

Question is, should I plan on really not being able to notice much difference in fit and the angle changes if I stay with a TT length I like and ride? I like the idea that it'll be vertically smaller, therefore, weigh less and be even stiffer.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
re: Question to Look riders!!!JS
Dec 14, 2001 3:01 PM
Beware, you may have to run an extremely rise stem and or lots of spacers to get the bars back up where you like them. LOOKS always seemed to me to be a frame for long femured riders.
I agree with the spacersDave Hickey
Dec 14, 2001 4:30 PM
Because of a great deal, I bought a 49cm instead of a 51cm(my size) KG241. The top tube is approx the same length on both. I have about 3cm of spacers and a horizontal stem to make it comfortable. ( see picture) If your racing, you probably have a much greater handlebar/seat height difference than I do.
spacer suggestion...C-40
Dec 15, 2001 8:54 AM
Your photo illustrates a common setup that could be improved with a change in bars. The bend of these bars places the brake hood significantly below the top of the bars and increases the amount of steering tube spacers required. Designs like the Deda 215 are nearly horizontal across the top, when viewed from the side. Deda bars would raise the brake levers significantly higher.
I agree but....Dave Hickey
Dec 16, 2001 4:06 PM
I agree but, I like these bars because they have a short reach. Are there any short reach-short drop bars?
short top tubes....C-40
Dec 15, 2001 7:16 AM
It's a simple process to compare the effective top tube length and head tube length to predict the stem height and length changes that would be required. The KG361 has a short effective top tube length.

Each degree of smaller seat tube angle effectively shortens the top tube length by about 1.2cm, depending on the exact frame size. A longer stem will almost always be required with a LOOK frame, unless you elect to place your knee further behind the pedal spindle.

Also compare the head tube length with your current ride to determine the difference in bar height. I personally hate the look of steering tube spacers and would rather use a higher rise stem to raise the bars, if necessary. An 80 degree stem, flipped to 100 degree will raise the bars about 3.5cm, depending on the exact length of stem.

If you need help with the comparison, post the geometry of your current ride. I can crunch the exact numbers for you.
short top tubes...., Dave H & C40cioccman
Dec 16, 2001 7:32 AM
C40, please do. One current ride, 53.5 TT c-c, 53cm ST c-t, 74 deg. angle. Do you need any other numbers?

Another ride, 52.5 TT c-c, 51cm ST c-t, 74 deg. angle. Thanks!

Dave H. how do you like and compare to the 49 Look to the 51 other? What is the other? Do you still ride it? Thanks.
short top tubes...., Dave H & C40Dave Hickey
Dec 16, 2001 4:04 PM
The 49 is the KG241, I have two 51's, a KG281 and a KG86.
The KG281 is a better frame but the difference is not that great. As for the size difference, I cannot notice at all.
Dec 17, 2001 10:55 AM
I've got some questions. Would you email me? Thanks
re: Question to Look riders!!!pgager
Dec 15, 2001 10:00 AM
The geometry of the 361 fits me well, esp. the short TT. But I am looking for a road racer. Isnt the 361 more of a Tri bike?
Not at all. The KG396 is the TT/TRI frameDave Hickey
Dec 16, 2001 4:12 PM
The 361 is a road frame. The KG396 is their Time trial/Tri frame. Here's a picture of the KG396.
LOOK framesBruce Humphries
Dec 17, 2001 8:22 AM
I am riding a 56cm TREK 2300. I have been told by some that I need to be riding a 54, and others tell me the 56 is right. I have ridden both, but the 54 had a long stem and the seat was set way back so it felt different than an stock. As for my 56 I have the stem down below the seat, and flipped over to be as flat as possible. Right now, when I ride on top of the hoods, I can't really get comfortable. When I ride with my thumb across the top of the hoods and my hands down to the sides of the hoods it feels better and it puts me in a more aero position, but I don't know how long I could ride like this. I guess what I am trying to say is that when I am in the drops, I feel kind of cramped and when I am on top of the hoods with one finger around the front of the brake I feel kindof stretched out. What does this sound like to you guys? Please e-mail with results. Also the reason I posted on the LOOK questions is b/c my next bike will be a LOOK and I want to get it right with that one.