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Nucleon owners, or others, please offer your comments....(38 posts)
|Nucleon owners, or others, please offer your comments....||cioccman|
Dec 12, 2001 9:22 AM
|I suppose comments from owners as well as hearsay would be accepted. Does anyone have particularly good experience with these wheels? Bad experience? Are they well liked for climbing? Descending? Your comments are appreciated. Thanks!
Another techie question, I'm having trouble getting my 10th gear on the back (12) to shift quickly. It's slow on. Any suggestions? Thanks. I'm a relatively new to Campy person.
|I've heard but one complaint,||TJeanloz|
Dec 12, 2001 9:27 AM
|And this is true of all Campy clinchers-
tires are really hard to take on and off the rims.
Dec 12, 2001 9:30 AM
|They are a real pain in the butt to change, especially on the side of a road.|
|I've heard but one complaint,||cioccman|
Dec 12, 2001 9:31 AM
|Got that right. Man, the first flat with a new tire is a bear. Seriously, a two person job..... Took me 25 mins.
This is my first set of low spoke count wheels. It could be my imagination, however, on a particular descent I thought I'd felt some wobble. I dismissed it and then seemed to feel it another time. I feel like I'm losing confidence in them. We'll see. Have you heard of anything similar?
Dec 12, 2001 11:20 AM
|Vittoria corsa's are a perfect match with Nucleons. Use them and save yourself 22 minutes of time changing tires.|
|SupPpPple||Me Dot Org|
Dec 12, 2001 11:25 AM
|I don't run Nucleons, but Corsa CX is the easiest tire to get off and on a rim that I've ever tried. They flatted too easily for my taste, but wonderfully supple, good ride and handling.|
|Not for me||McAndrus|
Dec 12, 2001 11:20 AM
|I run Protons, not Nucleons, but I believe they're the same rim - different spokes and hubs. I usually use Performance Forte tires. I can take them off and put them on by hand, without tools.
Getting the tires on without tools is easy, getting them off is a little more difficult so I usually use a lever but I could do it by hand if I'm willing to work at it.
|Not for anyone||Jack S|
Dec 12, 2001 1:08 PM
|the new protons, not the original 1st generation grey rim ones or the 2nd generation black one (that is essentially the same as electrons), but the one that was reintroduced this year, are cr@p|
|I've heard but one complaint,||azroadie|
Dec 12, 2001 1:45 PM
|I have had mine for about a year or so and love them. The absloutly only complaint I have about them is getting the darn tire off for a flat! Next to impossiable. Never out of true..great for climbing and very reliable in a cross wind.|
|re: Nucleon owners, or others, please offer your comments....||Jack S|
Dec 12, 2001 9:34 AM
|I have Electrons, basically the same wheel except for round spokes. Good, strong wheelset, relatively light. I like 'em alot. Have not had to true in 2-3 years that I've owned 'em.
Run 9s so can't help you, but it sounds like the cable may be getting hung up or the rear der is not adjusted right. The "resting" position of the der is the small cog, i.e., the spring wants to pull it down. So something must be keeping it from doing so.
|Great rims||Jason H|
Dec 12, 2001 9:40 AM
|Vittoria open corsa cx's are NO problem getting on or off a nucleon rim. I've had my nucleons for a year and have had no problems what so ever. With over 5000 miles on them I haven't had to true them once, been pleased with there strength and lightness and would highly recommend them.|
Dec 12, 2001 10:06 AM
|Two years and no problems and delighted to have them. Vittoria's are the tires to use. They slip off and on easily.|
Dec 12, 2001 10:44 AM
|In my opinion, they're absolutely superb. There are lighter wheelsets at this price range, but it'd be difficult to beat the nucleon's strength and lateral stiffness. In my experience, they (and perhaps the Ksyrium's) are one of very few racing wheelsets you can also train on. They just stay true and straight. The only downsides I see are that they are difficult to true (if you have to) and that they ride perhaps a tad too stiff for a smaller frame riders like myself. Small price to pay for a great product that I can put on my bike and just ride. Hope this helps.|
|re: Nucleon owners, or others, please offer your comments....||Shad|
Dec 12, 2001 11:15 AM
|I've been happy with mine. They are still true after a big crash, my niece stepping on the spokes when I set them on the lawn, and after I rode the back wheel ten miles with a flat. Tires are a challenge to mount, as mentioned above. The worst for me have been Michelin. Vredsteins go on decent, but I think I'll try some Vittoria's as mentioned above. I've never had the wobblyness you described anywhere between 0 and 50mph. I have heard some spoke popping noises when I've hung my body too far over the front wheel while climbing.|
|Thanks to all for the comments!||cioccman|
Dec 12, 2001 11:22 AM
|I appreciate it. I too think I'll get some Vittorias. Secondly, into the shop they go for a special thorough checkup from the most knowledgable Campy guru I know. Just to make sure. I think I should send my head to the shrink at the same time. I have not been able to ride out of my scaredy cat skittishness that has surrounded me from my August crash. Darn. Becoming a problem....|
|kind of heavy and overpriced||gtx|
Dec 12, 2001 11:30 AM
|how about Open Pros laced to Hugi hubs? You'll pay about $430 and save some weight. Record hubs and Open Pros will weigh about the same as the Nucleons and run you about $300.
Regarding the shifting question, could be just a turn of the barrel adjuster, or maybe you need to lube your cables or adjust the limit screw.
|there's always one||DA|
Dec 12, 2001 1:38 PM
|that offers info on something completely different. Are Hugi hub Campy compatible?|
|there's always one||gtx|
Dec 12, 2001 3:20 PM
|sorry, I can't help it. $700 pre-built wheels that are a pain to work on/find parts for and don't offer any real weight/performance advantages seem silly to me.
Yup, Hugis are Campy compatible. I think there might be a way to get Kings to work now, too. Personally, I'd probably prefer the Record hubs unless I was going for full-on weight weeniedom. And if you want Campy rims, those are available, too.
|there's always one||bn|
Dec 12, 2001 6:10 PM
|1-If you've read the above, you'd know that people never work on their Nucleons. No need. They are among the strongest wheels out there.
2-You CAN get parts, if ever needed (Branford).
3-Can't get Montreal rims or Record hubs in 20 or 24 hole.
4-NEVER pay full retail... MSRP is for suckers.
If you want 'em, get 'em.
|$700 for nucleons?!||mmaggi|
Dec 13, 2001 8:13 AM
|Well, that my be true.
But I paid $520 for a pair DELIVERED to my front door. There are many places on the net that will sell them for that price.
Now the question is do you want to spend $300-$350 for a Mavic Open Pro rims with a Campy Record (or Chorus) hub or do you want a really high end rim with a high end Campy hub (not Record or Chorus) with bladed spokes? The weight difference is negligible. What's at issue is strength and maintenance.
That's the question with no real correct answer.
|$700 for nucleons?!||gtx|
Dec 13, 2001 9:56 AM
|I agree that you can get the cheaper (I think $700 is retail), and they have a lower spoke count and bladed spokes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Nucleon hub is basically a Record hub anodized black with different drilling, and the rims aren't any more "high end" than Open Pros--they're basically Campy Montreals (an excellent rim).
I think the main issues are that many people who don't build their own wheels have had bad experiences dealing with their local wheelbuilders, and are also being drawn in by the designer looks of these pre-built wheels. And I agree, they do look cool. However, a good builder can can build something just as strong and durable and even lighter for less money, which was my original point (though yes, you will probably have more spokes and they won't look as cool--though if your wheels are damaged, you should be able to fix them very quickly and easily without waiting around for special parts).
I happen to enjoy building wheels, I ride in the rain a lot (tough on rims) and also ride mtbs (tough on wheels in general), and like the ease and flexibility and cost of standard wheels, which can be just as light (or lighter) and just as durable (or more durable).
Dec 13, 2001 10:40 AM
|... last word.
NO, the Nucleon/Electron hub (straight pull) is definitely not a Record. Proton is, however.
Dec 13, 2001 12:55 PM
|Campyonly says the Protons are based on the Daytona hubs.
Nucleons are derived from Record hubs.
|ever see how the spokes attach at the hub?||bn|
Dec 13, 2001 1:06 PM
|didn't think so... otherwise you would know what you are talking about. "derived from" and "based on" does not mean the Nucleon hub is a Record hub anodized black with different drilling (as you said)!
I love you guys that have no personal experience but reply anyway like you know what you are talking about. "I read here that..." and "I rode with a guy who's teammate said that..." Whatever dude, go ahead and reply.
|so let me get this straight....||gtx|
Dec 13, 2001 1:37 PM
|the hubs on the Nucleon wheels are different than Record hubs in some way other than drilling and anodizing? They have some sort of special ingredient or something to help justify the price of those wheels? I'd love to know what it is. Or maybe it's a top secret.
Actually, after working in bike shops for ten years, I have a lot of personal experience with suckers buying into hype. Or maybe I just made that up. Who knows? This is the web after all...
Dec 13, 2001 2:02 PM
|The Nucleon (now called the Neutron) has HPW hubs. They are not exactly Record hubs. They also have asymetrical rims, which are not exactly Montreal rims. The nature of how the spoke threads into the hub is significantly different on these HPW hubs than it is on a traditional wheel. Campy makes out like it's a huge deal- I don't know for sure. But it is pretty cool- the different slotting and aero spokes allow for the wheel to have less dish to it than a regular wheel. Advantage Nucleon.
Furthermore, the asymetrical rim design further allows reduction in dish at the rim.
So it is inaccurate to say that the Nucleon is a Record hub with a Montreal rim anodized a cool color. It is a designed wheelset, with a hub of Record quality, but distinctly designed for that wheel. One advantage of boutique wheels is that their hubs, spokes and rims are mated to work as a package, and this is where the Nucleon beats the standard wheel.
Dec 13, 2001 2:13 PM
|yup, less dish and lower spoke count is an advantage. But I'll keep building my own wheels until I win the lottery.|
Dec 14, 2001 9:40 AM
|They're not that expensive. I got a brand new Italian rig with Ded tubing, full bore Record 10 with all the carbon goodies, Campy carbon seatpost, Nucleons, SLR, Axial Pros, etc. for well less than $3000.|
|it's basically a Record hub||Fed Up|
Dec 13, 2001 10:59 AM
|The Nucs use a low spoke count record hub anodized black...no real diff in function over a standard record hub.|
|its basically a piece of aluminum with spokes sticking out of it||KurtVF|
Dec 13, 2001 6:52 PM
|So if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty it is basically like any of the 10 million hubs made by various manufacturers that sell basically in the ballpark range of $10 each to $200 each so yes they are basically the same.|
|re: Nucleon owners, or others, please offer your comments....||Neutrons here|
Dec 12, 2001 7:26 PM
|I've got three sets of the 02 Neutrons and they are schweeeet. Light, sexy looking, and comfy. |
Mounting new vred's are a pain but once they age for a couple of weeks they can be mounted/demounted no problema.
|re: Nucleon owners, or others, please offer your comments....||Ken|
Dec 13, 2001 12:11 AM
|The Nukes are bomb proof. The first time I had to replace the tires (Axial Pros) It took me 90 minutes and I think I lost about a gallon of body liquid. The second time I had to replace them it took me 10 minutes. Practice makes perfect. It's all technique. |
|I'd ditch those tires real quick!!!!||CT1|
Dec 13, 2001 1:22 PM
|Man, that doesn't sound right at all. The Vred's I mounted were a little tight going on the first time but after a week at pressure they demounted and mounted REAL easy. |
|re: Nucleon owners, or others, please offer your comments....||mmaggi|
Dec 13, 2001 8:22 AM
I have a pair and I've logged 2,300 miles on them. They're a great wheelset. Strong, stiff and everything else you heard is accurate.
I changed one tire (I have Conti GP 3000s) and it was a little difficult, but it was in the comfort of my garage and not at roadside.
I did pop a spoke on the rear wheel after 1,000 miles. It was probably because of my weight (190-195lbs). If you're less than 175lbs, you probably won't have any problems at all.
If you anticipate popping a spoke, purchase from Brandfordbike.com the Campy Nucleon mini-spoke kit for about $30. It will save you the time and effort when and if it does happen. Any decent wheelsmith can replace a spoke on a Nucleon. The only issue is that you must remove the tire to replace the spoke or to true it.
BTW... my set is still true.
|Gimme a break||Fed Up|
Dec 13, 2001 11:02 AM
|2300 miles is no real test. AND you popped a spoke in that time period. Don't sound like great wheels to me. Maybe for racing only, but not for all-around riding. $30 for a mini spoke kit? God...Campy must have saw you coming with money falling out of your pockets. PT barnum was right.|
|Kerry Irons, is that you?!||nm|
Dec 13, 2001 1:09 PM
|Probably just another anonomous whiner..... nm||CT1|
Dec 13, 2001 1:24 PM
|how many more weeks...||gtx|
Dec 13, 2001 1:40 PM
|til you get your new frame? That Dream you built up for your bro looks sweet!