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witnessed an accident this morning, driver comments(19 posts)

witnessed an accident this morning, driver commentsclimbo
Dec 7, 2001 6:44 AM
After she hit the guy (she lurched out from a stop sign and hit the front of his bike), she jumped out of the car yelling that he should not be on the highway, etc. etc. stupid bikers, blah, blah... Highway? 2 lane road just by my house (it is a highway but this section runs through strip mall/suburbia central in a 40 zone), she never once asked if the guy was OK and then sped off because "she had to get her son to school".

Fact is, he had no light, it was slightly dark and he couldn't speak English, had to go to work, probably in some low paying job and he took off after I helped him fix his bike (a now very wobbly Huffy) so he probably wouldn't get fired for not turning up.

People's attitude sucks, karma will come and get you lady....
Some people just need a "good kick in the *ss"kenyee
Dec 7, 2001 7:04 AM
To quote a favorite 70's Show line.

The guy should have file a police report with you as a witness...unfortunately, the biker also should have had a light so I'm not sure how it would turn out (assuming the biker is treated like a vehicle by the insurance company, the "vehicle's" lights should have been on).
re: witnessed an accident this morning, driver commentsMJ
Dec 7, 2001 7:34 AM
had a friend (who had lights) who got hit in June by a driver - the driver acknowledged my friend lying in the road bleeding and then drove off

on Novemver 9 the driver was found guilty of three driving related offences (including leaving the scene of an accident) - he was fined and points (towards disqualification) were put on his licence

people do suck - it's a shame that someone like the guy you describe is unlikely to ever see the matter result in any apology, conviction or justice - good on you for helping him out

here's hoping that lady gets her karma sooner rather than later
re: witnessed an accident this morning, driver commentsHarry Hall
Dec 7, 2001 10:40 AM
Base problem: Driving in this country is too cheap, too easy, insufficiently regulated, and cops are pussies about writing tickets. The VERY BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN IS THAT WE LOSE OUR WAR IN THE MIDEAST AND THE RAGHEADS RAISE OIL TO $50/BARRELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WE ARE A F&*^%-UP BUNCH OF JUNKIES AND OUR ONLY HOPE IS IN HAVING THE PRICE OF POPPIES GO UP TOO MUCH.
Amen brother, you said a mouth-full. nmcyclinseth
Dec 7, 2001 2:21 PM
Don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY feel! ;o)Tig
Dec 7, 2001 4:12 PM
I bought regular gas for 87 cents today!

I hate to say it, but you have a valid point in the middle of all that junk. As much as I love this country, I see it's ugly side as well and it's not a pretty sight. I compare us to the Roman Empire in some ways. We can be a lazy, spoiled consumer nation, and the possibility for us to fall is not out of the question. It won't happen soon, and we are too stubborn and proud to let everything go to sh#t. It's just a concern I've had for a long time. No country stays at the top forever.

This country has done so much to advance the rest of the world in areas like industry, medicine, and inventions, as well as many lesser things. Our culture hasn't always been a positive influence on the world, but it's unique! We almost always lend a hand when someone is in need. Our warring world police presence has been ugly at times, and a godsend at others (World Wars). I find it interesting that our culture shuns women breastfeeding in public and has the highest violent crime rate in the world, while we also enjoy one of the highest levels of living. Our education is a system is a shambles. We also have almost 60% of the world's lawyers! (sorry, Dog!) Tell me about a country that doesn't have plenty of problems.

Oops, this was totally unrelated to cycling. I'll fix that. If we think our roads are rough and filled with tire-cutting trash, I wonder how the Afghani's handle the thousands of left over land mines during a ride? Wheeew, I'm done. Being sick with a fever make the mind wonder...
Now YOU Don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY feel! ;o)Erik W
Dec 7, 2001 4:20 PM
I generaly feel the same. That was very well put.
hit & runbad-mojo-risin
Dec 7, 2001 8:21 AM
did you get her plate?
no, BUT, the guy had no lights on the bikeclimbo
Dec 7, 2001 9:09 AM
That could just mean more trouble for him or a fine when he of all people probably can't afford the hassle and cost. He didn't seem to want to deal with police etc. etc. He couldn't speak much English and just seemd to want to get on with going to work. He didn't strike me as the kind of cyclist that would want to take this to court.
Johny Hit & Run Paulene (nm)RhodyRider
Dec 7, 2001 6:28 PM
Johny Hit & Run Paulene (nm)husker
Dec 8, 2001 7:03 AM
Is that Sonic Youth out there?
No, it's X!bike_junkie
Dec 8, 2001 10:08 AM
Right on with the X reference! WooHoo!
She's a white girl...
re: witnessed an accident this morning, driver commentsDINOSAUR
Dec 7, 2001 9:46 AM
I wonder if Mrs. Suburban housewife ever heard of a hit and run?
re: witnessed an accident this morning, driver commentsTylerman
Dec 7, 2001 10:10 AM
Hate to play devils advocate here, but let's be honest. I see this kind of thing here in TX all the time around my neighborhood and elsewhere. I'd say well over 80% of the people I see on bikes DO NOT KNOW how to ride them safely. They run red lights, stop signs, never wear helmets on dark mornings along busy streets (or during the daytime for that matter) and apparently think that the $15 set of front and rear lights at Wal-Mart look lame or else they'd have them. Don't get me started on what presumably intelligent people allow their children to do on bikes around here. I curse every one of them who doesn't take the time to learn how and where to ride safely, they are as much a hazard to others as they are to themselves. I have taught riding safety lessons through my church to little kids because I got sick of seeing them riding around jumping off curbs into the street, cutting across the middle of the road, and all the while with no helmets. Hell, I drive 20 down my street just because I have seen too many dead dogs, collars still on their necks, lying in the gutter because they went running out of their yards, and I see kids and adults do the same thing on bikes.
It's not always the drivers fault!

(Before you ask, yes I have hit a pedestrian with my car, but I have never been hit by a car on my bike because I ride defensively)
ok, take it easy, he WAS JRA, but yes, some are foolish nmclimbo
Dec 7, 2001 10:26 AM
see it as wellTig
Dec 7, 2001 10:44 AM
Here in Texas, we have a large population of legal and illegal aliens from Mexico who ride to work. I'm surprised I haven't seen more of them get hit due to the way some ride or where they ride. Weaving down a 4 or 6 lane street during peak traffic hours puts them in grave danger and ticks off drivers. I had to avoid one this morning in the fog and almost got hit by the car next to me. She (usually guys who work in restaurants) had no lights and was nearly invisible out there, even though I was driving at only 35 MPH. I was more concerned that upset. You can push the limits out there for only so long before you get nailed. I wish more of them would get a clue before they get hit. They have all the rights to be there, but dead-right is still dead.

However, one of the biggest differences I see between roadies and commuting restaurant workers is that roadies run a majority of lights and stop signs, while the worker guys obey a majority of them. It's a rare day that I see a recreational cyclist out among the nasty traffic though.
And what kind of message is she sending to the kid??jagiger
Dec 7, 2001 11:31 AM
...see mommy drive, mommy drive
...see mommy crush cyclist
......crush, mommy crush
...see mommy stomp on bike
......stomp, mommy stomp
...see mommy fume
......fume, mommy fume
...see mommy rant at cyclist
......rant, mommy rant
...see mommy thoughtless drive away
......why, mommy why

It's amazing & this lady'll probably be showing off
a bumper sticker saying she's a proud parent who's
kid is being honored for excellence?!*%#
What's up with that?
Leaving the Scenegrzy
Dec 7, 2001 4:53 PM
That alone will get her in some serious hot water. So the guy may not have had the lights required, two wrongs don't make a right. Sounds like she played the b!tch card and won. It's kinda fun to tourment these types of people when you can - they never get it. Too bad someone has to suffer them (i.e. the bike rider, the kid, and probably her husband and everyone else she comes in contact with). Of course her sex has little to do with it - it could've been a guy driving. I'd be tempted to hang out and catch her license plate on Monday and report it - people like this are typically on a path of self destruction and take others with them. Small incidents are like warning signs, yet they get ignored until after something happens. What if next week she hits and kills a guy on bike with lights? She doesn't think that we belong on the roads, period. She needs a reality check in the form of a dope slap.
re: Soccer mom hits Huffy commuter...guido
Dec 9, 2001 9:10 PM
The lesson here: when in doubt, never go in front of a MV. Sensing the woman's impatience, I would have deftly gone right behind her, as close as possible around her vehicle, then continue on, as if she wasn't there. Assume the right of way at your own peril!

From a bicycle, cars and trucks are large, impersonal metallic beasts, moving relatively fast, but sluggish and predictable compared to bicycles. They can't turn or stop very well, nor can they rapidly accelerate once they get up to 30-35mph. The higher visibility provided, slower speeds, superior maneuverability, stopping, and acceleration of bicycles makes them extremely good at avoiding contact with MVs. It is very easy for a bicyclist to avoid a car, but very difficult for a MV to avoid a bicyclist unexpectedly appearing in the MV's line of travel. So it is pretty much up to the bicyclist to be alert at all times, in order to stay upright, and continue on his way. He can deal with MV's much easier than MVs can deal with him.

From this perspective, the guy riding in front of the woman at dusk without lights, was clearly in the wrong. He should have never assumed the woman would see him, which she probably didn't until she hit him.