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Exercise Physiology(23 posts)

Exercise Physiologymorey
Dec 4, 2001 10:18 AM
I have noticed that exercise physiology is a real weak point in many of our posters. The books I have written do not address cycling, therefore those that live near University's with exercise physiology programs, obtain their texts. Volunteer for some of their programs (a lot of free info gathered this way). Visit their libraries and get some exercise physiology texts. Dry reading, but excellent.
Dry reading?Spokeman
Dec 4, 2001 10:56 AM
Hey Morey,

I love reading ex phys material. But then again, I have my BS in Ex Phys.

One thing I noticed when doing my undergrad work, was that most profs don't have a clue about the specialized nature of cycling. I pissed off my share of them in class.

Where am I going with this? I don't know.

SM
re: Exercise Physiologycioccman
Dec 4, 2001 11:03 AM
I would say that there is an unusually high percentage exercise physiology knowledge here as compared to the general public and especially most gyms!!!!! I've been a gym rat, strength trainer, personal trainer, variety of classes instructor, etc. for quite some time and I'm always baffled by the amount of people who just don't have a clue about what they're doing.
hard science vs. anecdotal evidenceguido
Dec 4, 2001 11:11 AM
Morey,

Who are some good writers on exercise physiology? I've been enamoured with this website, not only as an outlet to share my passion, but also as a very informative, intelligent source of knowledge and experience on any subject related to riding. We have engineers, college students, racers, dedicated riders of all styles, but is there a doctor in the house?

I have one book by Dr. Peter Konopka, "Cycle Sport," written in the 80s, and marketed in GB. It's the best description I've read of the physiological processes taking place when riding. He talks about nutrition, caring for slow-twitch and fast twitch muscles, and even training the nervous system, a subject Chris Carmichael recently mentioned briefly in his column in the magazine "Cycle Sport."

Eddie B. also writes alot about physiology in his book, "Bicycle Road Racing," once available through Velo News Books. Who are your favorites?
hard science vs. anecdotal evidencemorey
Dec 4, 2001 11:53 AM
It is true some professors do not have a clue, however there are some good ones. I will go home and go through my exercise physiology texts and pick some good authors. Lamb is a good source. It is true that most people in gyms etc. know very little. I know I owned a gym for over 20 years. What I do like is someone that is willing to learn,and then apply what he has learned for his use. Md's are particularly poor sources of info in general. Ask any one of them about nutrition, vitamins etc.
Some Good SourcesJon
Dec 4, 2001 2:07 PM
Exercise Physiology by McCardle, Katch, and Katch is a highly readable basic text. If I could
understand it coming from an arts background 30 years ago, anybody can! An excellent source
of information for the reasonably informed athlete is Peak Performance Online, ed. by Owen Anderson.
This is a UK-based newsletter which stays abreast of the latest research for runners, cyclists,
and swimmers. For anyone with a little time on their hands, a couple of semesters at your local
college or university of basic anatomy and physiology is more than worth the effort. For me it
opened up a whole new interest and a world of information. A little basic knowledge of cell physiology
and gross anatomy helps make a lot of sense of the various training and coaching templates
one comes across.
Some Good Sourcesmorey
Dec 5, 2001 4:04 AM
The McCardle and Katch book is excellent! I recommend wholeheartedly.
responsible sources for this info are hard to find.Leisure
Dec 5, 2001 4:01 AM
"Md's are particularly poor sources of info in general. Ask any one of them about nutrition, vitamins etc"

It's sad that you are so correct. A lot of MDs either don't know themselves, want to charge you for their answers, or both. I try not to be negative about most things, but working with docs and seeing just how incompetent a lot of them are is embarassing.
responsible sources for this info are hard to find.morey
Dec 5, 2001 4:07 AM
I used to give seminars in nutrition to MD's. Do not fault them, they just do not get this information. Yet they should know it! It is a time thing with most medical schools, I had to learn it on my own after school. But you are right, they are not the source of good info.
re: Exercise PhysiologyDuane Gran
Dec 5, 2001 5:00 AM
I actually enjoy excercise physiology up until the point that it goes over my head, but I try to tread water and play armchair professor. :) One of the better authors I've read is Ed Burke. His explanation of the muscle energy system is very good and he explains nutrition in pretty sensible ways. His book "Serious Cycling" is a good overview, but he has some other more specific books.

Now and then I try to paraphrase what I've read for other's benefit. Should I ever make an outlandish claim, please feel free to correct it. I would be glad to be better informed.
re: Exercise Physiologymorey
Dec 5, 2001 5:21 AM
Ed Burke on Cycling Physiology is OK. However, I find that Exercise Physiologists that are doing research and publishing as well as teaching are great sources of information. They might not be informed about cycling per se, but it is our job to take the information they provide and apply it to cycling. Feel free to ask any questions, I will answer those that I can, research the others or give you a good source. I will let you know if I come across outlandish info.
Thanks for the tip on Peak PerformanceMcAndrus
Dec 5, 2001 5:24 AM
I think I've just found a new favorite site - at least until I can absorb it all. Just a peak at the write-up on cycling cadence was informative. I can't wait to get home and dig through the rest of it. (Like I need another excuse to spend my evenings surfing .....)
re: Exercise PhysiologyD1234
Dec 5, 2001 5:35 AM
I'm not so sure- I have a few degrees in Ex. Phys.- not bragging just a statement. No need to brag w/ the lack of $$ in the field regardless of PhD.
re: Exercise Physiologymorey
Dec 5, 2001 5:45 AM
You are right, there is no money in exercise physiology, unless you become an entrepreneur. I taught physiology and biochemistry at our local med school, but to make real money I invested and owned a trash company and health club.
It is a shame! I have found that Ph.D, means piled higher and deeper.
re: Exercise PhysiologyJon
Dec 5, 2001 6:06 AM
Don't know whether this is still so, but as of a few years ago, in Canadian med schools a grand
total of six hours was spent on nutrition. Is that not sad?
re: Exercise Physiologymorey
Dec 5, 2001 6:10 AM
When I went to Med school in the United States circa 1965, we spent about the same time. It is a shame. I am a big proponent that we should have a specialty of Nutritional Medicine which is certified by the AMA.
re: Exercise Physiologypeloton
Dec 5, 2001 8:28 AM
I agree, but you can see how the lack of adequate knowledge happens. There is so much BS out there in the subjects of physiology, training, and worst of all nutrition. It's hard to understand what is BS and what is on the level. Doctors generally aren't a great source of info on any of these subjects, and I suspect most don't care. Owning a gym, I'm sure you know how sadly misinformed a lot of trainers can be even. With trainers at the gym saying the wrong things, and every 'nutritionist' who wants to sell a book spreading misinformation it's no wonder the general public has a hard time understanding what is good and what is bad. I wholeheartedly agree that Universities can be a great source of information. Most professors love to talk to anyone who will listen too, and if you are interested in the subject it's a great way to gather info. It doesn't have to be cycling specific text either. The information on energy metabolism, kinesiology, and physiology holds true from one sport to another.

I will say though, that I am impressed with some of the knowledge that is in this forum as well. I've been impressed with some of the contributions of yourself Morey, Jon, and Wayne. I'm sure that there are others I left out too.
re: Exercise Physiologymorey
Dec 5, 2001 9:39 AM
It is true that Drs. do not have time to learn nutrition in med school, but then afterwards they do not care to learn. It is a shame, because these are really talented individuals intellectually. In the gym nowadays, 99% of the trainers are minimum wage individuals with absolutely no training. However, they think they know it all because the won MR. Something. Believe me, they ought to regulate this more closely. Most of the info you find is BS. I hate to say this but there is so much fraud that exists in nutrition and supplements today. Believe it or not, the FDA still does not regulate vitamins and supplements. They step in only if there is a complaint and/or death.
re: Exercise PhysiologyD1234
Dec 5, 2001 10:03 AM
How true! Well said, Morey. Most fitnes related stuff is totally BS. Unfortunately, every one of great new ideas, inventions, training protocols have a basis in fact- but that's it. It is then taken to the extreme and made totally inaccurate, misleading, and in some instances, dangerous. I couldn't agree more that they should have better regulation at most health clubs. If you look for ACSM certification you're pretty safe. They have some high minimum standards and great certifications which require substantial education/knowledge.
re: Exercise Physiologypeloton
Dec 5, 2001 11:08 AM
Some regulation is good. I like the NSCA CSCS cert for trainers. Not too many people who have it though. I think there are just over a dozen in my state. ACSM is pretty good too. The mention of fraud out there is pretty bad, too. Think of GNC, or other local supplement store. It used to be that they had to prove the claims before they could market them as such. Nowadays, the FDA has to disprove the claims before they can make a manufacturer pull something from the shelves. There is a lot of bad stuff that comes in some of the brands too, especially less reputable supplement manufacturers. I know a couple of well known athletes who tested positive for nanladrone, and it was traced back to stuff laced into creatine bought off the shelf right here in the US. The whole supplement industry scares me a little, but people buy into it so easily without ever asking why this does what to my body. No one has any comprehension what the substance could be doing at a biochemical level, and what this might result in. Scares me, anyway. I've had conversations with people who swear what they use works, and nothing else matters. Hey, steroids work too....There are so many others too. It's so understandable why people don't know what to believe.
re: Exercise Physiologymorey
Dec 5, 2001 11:18 AM
I did some consulting for a company that was going to manufacture a vit c product. This place had rats, rat shit, cats, cat shit contamination everywhere. They also made soap powder(detergent). To get by on the cheap they would manufacture detergent tablets, bath tablets, and vit c on the same machine with minimal cleaning. They were a private labeler for many companies. I quit doing any work for this company, and makes me very wary of most.
re: Exercise Physiologypeloton
Dec 5, 2001 11:52 AM
Man, getting nanladrone in your creatine seems tame compared to cat shit in your vitamin C. That actually made me a little ill feeling.
Way to go Guys!!Jon
Dec 5, 2001 6:26 PM
Now you've REALLY turned me off the supplement companies. Not that I do a lot. But at least
I thought vit C, E and multivitamins were safe! Geez! Back to white bread, fried egg whites,
and orange juice.