|Seven Axium vs Odonata||C-Squared|
Dec 2, 2001 8:46 PM
|Trying to decide how the Steel / Carbon Odonata would feel as opposed to a Steel Axium. Anybody out there with first hand knowledge from riding? (I have ridden a steel axium - its sweeeeeetttt.)|
Dec 3, 2001 5:37 AM
|First off, it's spelled 'Axiom'. |
Second, the carbon drives the price up, sacrifices some durability, and saves weight you'll likely never notice anyway, but doesn't improve the ride.
Finally, if it's steel you want, don't waste your money on Seven. So much better American steel out there for the money it's not even funny. Seven's Ti is one of the better high-end Ti frames around, but steel isn't what they're known for.
|re: Seven Axium vs Odonata||MikeC|
Dec 3, 2001 8:31 AM
|This is another of those posts from an unqualified observer.
I have ridden a ti Axiom, and bought a ti Odonata, but I haven't ridden any steel Sevens. I chose the Odonata because I liked the slight weight savings, and the look of the ti/carbon mix, and I was looking for a minimal gain in overall comfort. I think that the Axiom might be SLIGHTLY more of a "sports car" while the Odonata might be SLIGHTLY more of a GT. The ti Odonata has plenty of bottom bracket stiffness, but the Axiom might have a slight edge in lateral stiffness.
|Oh, but YOU'RE qualified?||bike_junkie|
Dec 3, 2001 8:46 AM
|"I haven't ridden any steel Sevens" |
Pretty much sums it up Mike, don't you think?
The carbon is a gimmick, and people go for that.
|Oh, but YOU'RE qualified?||MikeC|
Dec 3, 2001 9:43 AM
|Gee, Junkie, I was referring to myself when I said "unqualified poster..."
I recognized my lack of steel Seven experience, and put it right up front.
Dec 3, 2001 11:08 AM
|I need to go ride. Sorry Mike, I misunderstood.|
|No prob. We all do it... (nm)||MikeC|
Dec 3, 2001 11:56 AM
|for one it's "Axiom"...(nm)||Real Man|
Dec 3, 2001 8:33 AM
|re: Seven AxiOm vs Odonata||C-Squared|
Dec 3, 2001 10:49 AM
|You guys are a tough crowd for bad spellers.|
|What's to decide?||Krill|
Dec 3, 2001 9:03 PM
|Why on Earth would you even consider buying one of those overpriced, overhyped, tig welded, no soul, POS's when you could have a custom Richard Sachs frame and fork for similar coin?
Quit wasting your time and check out http://www.richardsachs.com and then buy the finest steel bike available, hand built by America's finest builder. Order one now and you could be riding it in the Spring.
|That's pretty strident||DMoore|
Dec 3, 2001 10:26 PM
|There are lots of different ways to build a bike, and old school craftsmanship doesn't necessarily ring everybody's bell. Some people want the latest technology, or different materials, or just the latest fad (like sloping top tubes, carbon stays, hidden headsets, etc.). They won't be able to get any of those things with a Richard Sachs. |
I don't think it does much good to hit people over the head, drag them into a museum, and bully them into admiring the artwork. If someone just doesn't like Renoir, you can't make him.
Enjoy the fact that you're discerning enough to appreciate Richard's art.
|You got it Demi||Krill|
Dec 3, 2001 11:53 PM
|"Some people want the latest technology, or different materials, or just the latest fad (like sloping top tubes, carbon stays, hidden headsets, etc.). They won't be able to get any of those things with a Richard Sachs."
Exactly. Richard won't let you do anything that stupid. You may pray to those golden calves, but just because Sachs builds lug bikes does not mean he doesn't use the latest in materials and technology. New technology does not always equal better technology. He has not remained static for the last 30 years, he's been building bikes that are responsibly designed using the best materials and he's not building museum pieces although they are certainly museum quality. He builds his bikes the way he does because it has been proven to work best and survive the rigors of everyday riding and racing. You can buy a Seven, which in my opinion is the bicycling equivalent of a mullet haircut and "gourmet" jelly beans, or chase fads and the fashion of the week and make your down payment on buyers remorse or you can buy what works and will continue to work ten or twenty years down the road. Your don't need to upgrade when you already sitting in first class.
The bottom line is that for the same money, you can pay a BIG dollars for a Seven built by a committee of 20-somethings or a Sachs built by the man himself who's been building bikes longer than most of the crew at Seven has been alive and finished off with a Joe Bell paint job, the best paint work available! Besides, Sevens only cost so much because they have to pay for those ads in the New Yorker magazine. The choice is yours.
Dec 4, 2001 12:04 AM
|Do you ride a Sachs? Any other bikes?|
|Yes to both||Krill|
Dec 4, 2001 7:20 AM
|My Sachs is a '96 with Record 8. There is nothing I would change about it and I dread the day Campy 8 spares get hard to find. I've had many bikes before that and by virtue of being in the cycling industry I have had the opportunity to ride many, many of each year's latest and greatest brands and styles of bicycles.
I have other bikes that I've picked up along the way but I don't keep them long and I most often just turn them over to support my other cycling habits. The Sachs is far and away the best blend of quality, performance, and durability. It may weigh more than the current crop of Bic bikes, but it has never slowed me down. Indeed it has inspired me, amplifying my abilities and boosting my desire to push harder, ride faster. It is simply the best bike available today.
|I happen to agree||DMoore|
Dec 4, 2001 10:38 AM
|Mine's a '98, pearl white with red panels, full Record 10. I imagine I'll put a set of Neutrons on sooner or later. And that crankset...
I also have a Brian Baylis and my first good bike, an original '84 SL Ciocc Mockba 80 replica from '84, that I'll never part with. Other bikes come and go.