|Lance Armstrong blurb...||Lone Gunman|
Nov 29, 2001 4:38 PM
|Read in the paper that Lance is adding the Milan-San Remo and Tour de Flanders to his schedule pre TdF this year, says USPS Team....|
|also heard...||Duane Gran|
Nov 30, 2001 4:39 AM
|From cyclingnews.com it appears that he will be riding for George Hincapie. I'm glad to see this and would like to see USPS more competitive in the classics.|
Nov 30, 2001 5:07 AM
|You think his ego will allow him to ride for anybody? I hope so because Hincapie seems to be a good classics rider and could use the help. After seeing how USPS treated Heras, I wouldn't bet on it though.|
|also heard.../agree with pmf1, Remember The Vuelta promise||TC|
Nov 30, 2001 7:03 AM
|Until he's on the start line I wouldn't put too much faith in it. Don't get me wrong I'd like nothing more than to see LA at MSR and the Ronde. 2 very selective races and if LA can get Hincapie over the Poggio and down the Via in the right spot then hopefully he can take the win. The Ronde is a little more difficult as far as the # of climbs and the desire of the Belgians to win.
Don't ask Heras about promises. Not that I think LA could've helped Heras win the Vuelta. Heras just didn't have the form to win it this year.
|Wrong about Lance?||LCRIII|
Nov 30, 2001 7:03 AM
|You may be wrong about Lance and his ego. Didn't he pull Tyler to victory a year or 2 ago?|
Nov 30, 2001 7:14 AM
|Lance did give Tyler Hamilton the victory at Dauphine Libire in 2000. As for the Vuelta- I don't think that he directly promised HIS support for Heras in the race, I think that he committed his TEAM's support for Heras- and let's be perfectly clear, USPS is built for Lance Armstrong, the team exists for him to win the tour, and it's a big favor if he lends his boys out to anybody else.|
|whilst on the subject....||dupe|
Nov 30, 2001 7:34 AM
|has any team won the giro, tdf and vuelta in the same year?
or even the giro and the tour?
out of interest.
|whilst on the subject....||pmf1|
Nov 30, 2001 7:41 AM
|Pantani won the Giro and Tour 4 years ago. Can you say EPO? A few others have done this including (I think) Antequil. Maybe Indurain? I know he used to ride the Giro to train for the Tour.|
|and speaking of Pantani...||WebSlinger|
Nov 30, 2001 1:08 PM
|Did anyone see the article in the new ProCycling about Richard Virenque? There's a bit in there about how Pantani wouldn't pose for a photo w/ him and later said "I'm the best climber in the world, he just wears the jersey." riiiight... Given his (lack of) performance the last 1.5 years, how could he think that... too bad he wasn't in the tour this year, Lance would have ridden him off his wheel one legged I think.|
|whilst on the subject....||Wannabe|
Nov 30, 2001 7:41 AM
|Not sure about all three of the GTs in one year, but two of three is done quite often. Most recently I believe in 1998 when Mercatone Uno won the Giro and Tour. Incidentally, not only did the same team win both races, but the same rider from that team won both races: the elephant! You know, the guy who's ranked something like 1,800 in the world right now...
Andy - Wannabe
|whilst on the subject....||Jon|
Nov 30, 2001 7:46 AM
|Didn't Merckx win the Giro and Tour in one year?|
|whilst on the subject....||TJeanloz|
Nov 30, 2001 7:45 AM
|The Giro and Tour have been done several times- most recently Pantani won both with Mercatone Uno in 1998.
Indurain won both in 1992 and 1993.
Eddy Merckx did a Tour/Giro double in 1970, 1972 and 1974; and a Giro/Vuelta double in 1973. But never all three in one year.
Jacques Anquetil did a Tour/Giro double in 1964, and a Vuelta/Tour double in 1963.
I don't believe any body or team has done the triple.
|Even more special||mr_spin|
Nov 30, 2001 8:37 AM
|The same team (La Vie Claire) won two grand tours in a single year with different riders. Laurent Fignon won the Vuelta and Bernard Hinault won the Tour in 1983. That's only been done once in history.|
|Even more special||jaybird|
Nov 30, 2001 8:53 AM
|Didn't Hampsten win the Giro and Lemond the Tour in the same year?|
|Even more special||mr_spin|
Nov 30, 2001 9:13 AM
|No. Hampsten was on the 7-11 team when he won the Giro. And that was in 1987 or 1988 (I forget which). Lemond won in 1986, but was out of cycling when Hampsten won the Giro (the hunting accident). Hampsten and Lemond were on the same team in 1986. He came in 4th, and another team mate, Hinault, came in second. Obviously that was a stellar team, even more so because it was so divided during the actual race. Hampsten chasing down Hinault, Hinault pressuring Lemond. What fun it must have been in the hotel after the race.|
|It turns out,||TJeanloz|
Nov 30, 2001 10:15 AM
|Here's the result of too much analysis:
Only 22 riders have ever finished all three Grand Tours in one year. None of the 'greats' ever did. The best AVERAGE finish in the three races was Raphael Geminiani in 1955(4.3333). The ironman of domestiques has to be Philippe Poissonier, who in 1985 finished 86th, 90th and 66th in the three races (avg = 80.666). That's a lot of hard racing.
Of this group of 22, only one has had the opportunity to complete the sweep- Gastone Nencini won the Giro in 1957, but finished 6th in the Tour, and ninth in the Vuelta. He remains the only person to have completed all three races in one year and won any one of them.
|whilst on the subject....||crankset|
Nov 30, 2001 9:46 AM
|In 1987 Stephen Roche won the Giro, the Tour and the World road Championship race.|
|on a vitus? nm||dupe|
Nov 30, 2001 10:04 AM
|on a vitus? nm||NEIL|
Dec 1, 2001 4:48 PM
|Stephen Roche won the TDF, Giro and Worlds in 1987 riding for Carrera on a steel Battaglin with Campy C-Record. From an earlier post, it was indeed 1988 when Andy Hampsten won the Giro riding for 7-11.
|whilst on the subject....||David Feldman|
Nov 30, 2001 1:48 PM
|Look up the career of Spanish rider Marino Lejaretta in the early 1990s, I think he finished all three in one year and finished in the top 10 or 15.|
|Check your calendar. It's 2001||mr_spin|
Nov 30, 2001 8:04 AM
|I'm so tired of the Lance's ego thing. It's so 1993. Anyone who has followed his post-cancer career has seen that whatever Lance was before cancer, he is now a sportsman of the highest caliber. He treats challengers with respect, and he rewards his friends and teammates generously.
During the Tour, it is all about Lance. In most other races, he works for his teammates. Post Tour, he worked for Hincapie in San Francisco and Zurich, and he worked for Rubiera and Liepheimer in Burgos. Note how no one on his team ever complains--even after they leave the team.
And don't bring up the supposed Vuelta promise. Go back and read his entire quote and you'll see he never promised anything. And does anyone think it would have made a difference for Heras?
Nov 30, 2001 9:57 AM
|Thank you! I can't figure out how people continually find problems w/ this guy. LA is great sports hero better than or at least equivalent to just about anyone you care to choose. I'd feel sorry for him but he makes $10 million a year so I can't. :)|| |