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How fast is fast(29 posts)

How fast is fastsurf
Nov 27, 2001 10:35 AM
Im new to the bike. I need average speeds to shoot for, i can average 20mph over a mostly flat-small hill- 25mile ride. (paved --road bike). What are you able to average in a time trial situation-- how about triathlon splits???

thanks alot!
Life Begins at 50 mph.grzy
Nov 27, 2001 10:37 AM
Until then it's all relative. There are so many things that go into it that you'll just get depressed if you try and bench mark against some fit cyclists.
This should bring some interesting claims.diaper gravy
Nov 27, 2001 11:20 AM
All average speeds over 25 should be proven with a picture of your computer.
This should bring some interesting claims.Thorman
Nov 27, 2001 5:53 PM
The only problem with this is that it's real easy to change the wheel size settings on your computer to get an inflated average speed.
re: How fast is fastscottfree
Nov 27, 2001 11:29 AM
Don't believe anything you're told about average speed on this board. Matter of fact, I don't even believe YOU.
LOL1! I'm with you (nm)ET
Nov 27, 2001 12:45 PM
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re: How fast is fastThe Hammer
Nov 27, 2001 12:14 PM
I usually try to keep a steady pace of around 27-30 mph on mildly hilly courses. I work during the week, so weekends are my only chance to go for these long 4 hour rides. There's no real flat roads around this part of Belgium, so I've never had a chance to get a real solid idea of how I'd do in a TT. I've started cycling about 3 years ago after heart surgery and it's the one thing that has kept me healthy.
PEREFCT! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!nmscottfree
Nov 27, 2001 12:24 PM
LOL2! (nm)ET
Nov 27, 2001 12:47 PM
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you must have a C-40 with Lew wheels (nm)gtx
Nov 27, 2001 12:27 PM
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and a 30-40mph tailwind going out and coming back (nm)PsyDoc
Nov 27, 2001 12:49 PM
those are the best!gtx
Nov 27, 2001 1:16 PM
I think I might have actually experienced something like that once or twice when I lived in Iowa. It was kind of eerie, like riding in a vacuum. All you could hear was tire noise. Usually, though, on a totally flat ride it was something like 53x14 going out and 39x16 coming home.
Or a VooDoo Rada. (nm)RhodyRider
Nov 27, 2001 1:01 PM
MPH or KPH?MikeC
Nov 27, 2001 12:49 PM
27-30 mph over mildly hilly courses for 4 hours is pro quality! In Belgian weather? And after heart surgery?
Take me to your doctor! (Unless, of course, he's one Dr. Ferrari...)
MPH or KPH?The Hammer
Nov 29, 2001 11:12 AM
It's mph. I haven't been living in Europe long enough to get fully converted to metric. I now realize that this number sounds a bit excessive to Americans, but you must realize that riding this fast isn't all that extrordinary in Belgium. It's about par for the course if you're even slightly serious about your cycling. It's just a matter of adaptation. Cheers
My computer is set for 650cm wheels to! Its an ego boosterdiaper gravy
Nov 27, 2001 12:50 PM
650 cm wheels!? Baby stuff...I use TWO computer magnets....Greg Taylor
Nov 27, 2001 12:55 PM
My top speed and average doubled overnight! I AM a bike god...
great gag! (nm)Jack S
Nov 27, 2001 1:35 PM
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you the same guy that dropped his HR from 65 to 38bpm in a year?TAMuchacho
Nov 27, 2001 1:57 PM
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you the same guy that dropped his HR from 65 to 38bpm in a year?The Hammer
Nov 29, 2001 11:15 AM
No, but I assure you that I can raise my heart rate from 60 bmp to 180 bpm in only an hour. It might take a little longer for me to lower it back to 60 bpm though.
re: How fast is fastIndiana Rider
Nov 27, 2001 12:56 PM
boooooy.... do I feel bad.. on a good day will hold 16 to 17mph on a 25 mile ride.
re: How fast is fastyeah right
Nov 27, 2001 1:07 PM
I'm with Indy here. When I average 18 for a decent length ride, that's smoking. I hear about all these guys and their sub-4 hour centuries, but strangly, rarely see them on the road. Maybe they ride elsewhere, but, why aren't they wearing some some division one or two colors? I do get a good laugh about new guys and their 20+ averages, because cycling requires muscles that no other sport (to my knowledge) uses in the same proportions. Here's to riding, and not to checking stats.
re: How fast is fastnn23
Nov 27, 2001 11:02 PM
Finally someone is talking my figures. But then again I've never gone all out for speed either. I'll see what's the best I can achieve on over a flat 20 miles this weekend and if its good, probably post it.
re: How fast is fastbrider
Nov 27, 2001 1:14 PM
My best time for a 40K TT was 55:35. That was the Washington District TT, so I know the distance was fairly accurate. You figure the average speed.
Here's the truthDutchy
Nov 27, 2001 4:08 PM
For hills riding any ave. over 27kph/17mph is very good not pro level but very good.
For flat riding any ave. over 34kph/21.25mph is very good not pro level but very good.

These are solo speeds. Obvoiusly in a paceline you will go upto 10kph/6mph faster.
These are AVERAGE speeds. To average 34kph this means you have to sit at about 36pkh/22.5mph.
The reason is that when you start the clock after a traffic light you have to build up speed,
also slowing for lights will decrease your ave until you press stop on the clock.
It's all VERY idividual how people measure their speed, when they start/stop the clock.
Some people keep their clock running while stationary at a traffic lights so their ave is very low.
The best way to tell if someone is lying is to look at the pro's. Most stage races they ave 40-44kph/25-27.5mph.
If someone claims to ave faster than this I would call their bluff.

CHEERS.
aerobarscyclopathic
Nov 27, 2001 6:55 PM
and other little tricks do help

pros TT 35mph, if they were on road bike they would avg less then 30
Go where there is less air!Pack Meat
Nov 27, 2001 4:34 PM
I averaged over 25 mph in the CO State TT Championships and I was a Cat 4 and I wasn't even first. The winning time for the 4s was like 52:14 or right around there.

Once you acclimate it's easy to push 27 - 28 mph for awhile.
that's goodDog
Nov 27, 2001 7:57 PM
20 mph over flat to hilly terrain is darn good

I give you some reference points that I'm familiar with:

*a senior cat 4/5 10 mile time trial would be won anywhere from 23-25 or so mph, depending upon terrain and conditions; the Cat 1's would be close to 30 mph

*Lance Armstrong timetrials 30 miles or so around 34 mph; that's extremely fast; but, consider that's in the middle of a 21 day, 100 miles per day Tour, too

*when I was new to road riding, I could average around 16 mph over hilly terrain for 50 miles; a year or so later, I could time trial 10 miles just over 25 mph; that's with a year of continuous, hard, training; after 4 years and lots and lots of long, hard miles, I can average 20 mph over 200 miles of flat ground alone, and recently averaged about 14 mph for 508 miles continuous

*in hilly road races I've done, average speeds are around 22-26 mph, but that's with lots of drafting

*using aerobars appropriately will add about 1/2 to 1 mph at 20 mph

Dog
my perspectiveDuane Gran
Nov 28, 2001 5:20 AM
[Disclaimer: The numbers provided are accurate to the best of my knowledge and I have no reason or inclination to inflate them, however I have rounded them off where appropriate.]

Be wary of comparing yourself to others too much, but if it gives you some goals to shoot for, by all means use the info. Personally I am happy if my recovery rides are in the 15mph average and if my hard workouts are in the 17-18mph range. My tempo ride, which is sort of like a time trial at 80% effort usually averages 22mph. I have been seriously riding and racing for one year. The fastest average time I ever experienced in a race was 26.4mph.

Recently I noticed a very strange effect while travelling. I normally race and train in the mid-atlantic, but I spent the week of thanksgiving in NC, Florida and SC. Some observations:

* I rode in the Black Mountains in NC and it is *hilly* out there. In fact, I climbed Mt Mitchell, which was a major cool thing to do. My average speed was well below (I believe about 13.5mph) what I post in the small hills of my local area.

* I rode in Florida (Ft Lauderdale) and was simply blown away at how easy it was. I was riding the big ring at 20mph in a recovery HR pace and pulling off an average of about 18mph, where my typical recovery ride average is 15mph back home. Maybe it was the warm weather, but riding on the flats of Florida was majorly easy.

* I rode in Beufort SC and it was also flat as a board. I was riding with my girlfriend and we had to get back before sunset, so we decided to hammer back as I pushed the wind. I rode a tad slower than my tempo HR and was steamrolling along at 24mph. Recall that my tempo back home was 22mph.

My point here is that I have personally seen that different terrain and/or weather conditions make a big factor. If someone says thay did a 15mph average ride and it kicked their butt, don't feel smug if you post faster averages. For all you know, they train in a tougher environment. My advice is to take in this info, but train against yourself and the clock.