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1st SS ride on the surly: questions, questions, questions(18 posts)

1st SS ride on the surly: questions, questions, questionsJs Haiku Shop
Nov 23, 2001 6:27 AM
turkey day afternoon between meals i rode the surly (ss, not fixed) on my regular training route, hills and all, 'bout 30 miles. my normal (geared) 17.5-19 mph average was 16.3 on this route, likely a bit higher on the PURE route, since i rode to and from the loop through the 'burbs.

speeds on the hills (1/2-3/4 mile rollers) were either unaffected or faster (wow!), but the downhills found me spinning out and coasting anywhere between 20 and 35 mph.

flats and gentle inclines i could hold 16.5-18.5 mph without issue. faster? only problem getting to 19mph and above on flats is the bouncing around on the saddle. i'm running 42/18, and once i hit about 19mph i'm bouncing around like a dashboard hula dancer. my non-springy "terminal velocity" went from ~17mph to ~18.6 mph in just under two hours, so i'm thinking it may improve with more riding. however, i'm wondering if the saddle height/leg bend has to be adjusted different than on a geared bike to accommodate the ss pedaling, or not? i have a slight bend in the knee with crankarms vertical.

also, i'm carrying an adjustable cresent wrench in case i get a fl*t on the rear (track nuts). what do you guys carry? i've seen the park PB wrench at harris and the campy PB wrench at excel, and noticed that surly has one on their website that doubles as a bottle opener.

No answers, just more questions . . .DCW
Nov 23, 2001 8:05 AM
I am thinking about a Surly SS set-up myself.

Can you get SS hubs that allow the use of quick-release skewers or are they just fundamentally incompatible with SS?

How did you decide on the 42-18? Did you experiment on your 9- or 10-speed to see what inch gear seemed a good all-rounder?

What about tire choice (especially width)? Use the same on on your regular road bike?
No answers, just more questions . . .Js Haiku Shop
Nov 23, 2001 8:35 AM
the front hub was not a suzue, it came with 105--so that had a QR.

assumption: due to the nature of horizontal rear dropout and track nuts, a rear QR is a bad idea

the bike came with 42-18. i'll probably either take the front up to one or two more teeth, or the rear to two or four less. not sure what the availble range might be, but i feel i'm spinning out too easily on the flats, and not quite in enough pain on the hills.

conti ultra 2000s came on the bike, 700x23. i'll probably go x28 or wider when these wear through. not sure if conti has ultra 2k in >x25, though. have vredestein 700x23s on both (geared) road bikes.
Invalid assumption I thinkmuncher
Nov 23, 2001 9:35 AM
I have a QR (old campy Record) on my SS - never had a problem with it at all, FWTW.
SS is not fixedDA
Nov 23, 2001 9:51 AM
Even though this board's God Sheldon Brown does it, it's probably not a good idea to QR a fixed.

To answer the question, there are no dedicated SS hubs- whether BMX or MTB SS, track fixed or flip-flop- that come with QRs.

The front really doesn't matter now, does it?
..neither is JS's...nmmuncher
Nov 23, 2001 9:59 AM
do what Sheldon Brown saysLemming
Nov 23, 2001 8:49 AM
I ride fixed with QR..why would it be a problem??? (nm)vanzutas
Nov 23, 2001 3:33 PM
what kind of rear hub ? nmDog
Nov 23, 2001 4:30 PM
Nov 24, 2001 8:04 AM
It is an old Mallard hub from my old cannondale. it was set up with a 6 speed freewheel. I removed the freewheel and put on a DuraAce track sprocket with a bottom bracket lockring. So it is still the same wheel as it was on the Cannondale without the freewheel.

QR here tooStraightblock
Nov 24, 2001 8:33 AM
I'm running an old Campy Record road hub with quick release & a SunTour track cog. The skewer is nothing special, just an old low-end Shimano.

If you want to go QR forget about the superlight TI skewers, etc & look for an old steel skewer with knurled teeth where it contacts the dropouts. You can crank down on a steel skewer without worrying about breaking it and the teeth will bite into the dropouts to hold better. Look at the LBS for an old skewer, they probably have a few laying around in a junk drawer.
Lets see-where to begin you SSing poet you.MB1
Nov 23, 2001 9:19 AM
Gearing-relax and you won't bounce so much. If you are riding the SS for training leave the easy gearing on it and work on the spin. If you are riding it for fun you might want to gear up a LITTLE. Fixtes tend to run a little harder gear than SSers because of the downhills. So if you set the thing up as a fixte gear up. I use 42/16 fixted, 42/17 free.

Don't mess with your seat height. Are your crank lengths the same on all your bikes?

I carry a Park PB wrench that I happened to have around. Miss M carries a cell phone. Your choice-who cares as long as you can fix your flats.

BTW is it time for our Friday/Post Thanksgiving Haiku yet?
idea for tiresDog
Nov 23, 2001 4:29 PM
I'm running Tufo (Tofu) tubular/clinchers on the fixie. That way, I can just inject the slime to fix a flat, not having to remove the wheel or tire. I still carry the PB wrench, though, just in case the hub might loosen up on me (came a little loose one time). Also carry the cell phone.

SS/fixed question4bykn
Nov 24, 2001 5:34 AM
I'm intrigued by SS. Could any frame make a decent one. I've got an old Giant road Cro-Moly Allegre. Or would it be better to get a dedicated SS frame. Cost is an object. I like the idea of cheap and simple, I might even consider commuting!
The older the better.vanzutas
Nov 24, 2001 8:11 AM
The best situation is to have a frame with horizontal dropouts. These are different than a track bike which does not have dropouts they have something else. with horizontal dropouts you can easily tension the chain. If you want Fixte I think it is best to have horizontal dropouts. if you go SS then it is easy to just put on a chain tensioner. Some people talk of Fixed gear chain tensioners but I have yet to see them. Also I have heard of eccentric bottom bracket which I have not seen either. So the first thing to do on your bike it to check the dropouts. Also a wheel that was designed for a freewheel and not the newer style freehub with cassette will be very easy to go fixte with.
BTW I built mine for $40, Vista frame $0, my old wheels (nm)vanzutas
Nov 24, 2001 8:15 AM
OK you win the cheapskate award (nm)nm
Nov 24, 2001 4:59 PM
re: QR on SSAndy M-S
Nov 24, 2001 5:25 PM
My bad-weather bike is a road SS, 42/19 (useful for towing my kid's trailer). I use a QR rear wheel, and the only problem I've ever had was when I first started out riding SS, I sometimes didn't clamp the QR hard enough. This lead to the embarrassing situation of having the wheel move sideways into the NDS chainstay when I was attempting a quick start. As long as you use a good steel QR and clamp it down tight, you should have no problems.