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Your favorite cycling fallacy?(35 posts)

Your favorite cycling fallacy?The Kid
Nov 21, 2001 2:36 PM
Hello everyone,

As the never-ending discussion on this forum proves, cycling technology is complex and esoteric, often defying simple explanations even by highly experienced velophiles. In fact, I find that the simplest, most intuitive and easiest for the lay-person to grasp explanation is often quite wrong when it comes to bikes and they way they work.

I'd like to hear some of your favorite cycling fallacies, where conventional wisdom or the easy answer fails to describe what really happens when we turn the cranks. I'll start the discussion off with one of my favorites.

"Steel alloy X is stronger than steel alloy Y. Therefore, a frame made with X must be stiffer than an otherwise identical frame built from Y."

Enjoy,
T.K.
CF frames will ALL crack and fail...Lone Gunman
Nov 21, 2001 3:04 PM
at some point and all CF frames creak and the riders/owners just tune out the noise.
re: Your favorite cycling fallacy? - so manyDog
Nov 21, 2001 3:11 PM
*steel rides better
*aluminum is harsh
*lighter is better
*Speedplays are good for you
*more mileage is better
*big guys descend faster (well, usually)
*road racers know how to ride better
*Lance Armstrong can't climb (pre 99)
*carbon frames feel "dead"
*AND MY NUMBER ONE FALLACY: MEN NEED A SPLIT SADDLE TO AVOID NUMBNESS AND IMPOTENCE

Doug
How about theseNessism
Nov 21, 2001 3:32 PM
- Carbon forks ride better than steel (ever ride a Wound Up? Can you say stiff?)

- Carbon rear stays improve ride smoothness (the rear triangle is virtually rigid regardless of the shape or material used in the stays)

- Frames with butted Ti tubes are stiffer than straight gauge frames (if material is taken away, how can they be stiffer?)

- Frames made from ultra light steel are stiff (same comment about butted Ti)
Two water bottles will get any bike a good review and. . .js5280
Nov 21, 2001 3:43 PM
paying hundreds/thousands more for a Litespeed automatically makes me a superior human being. :-p
Also, Elefantino is following doctor's orders and not riding ;-)js5280
Nov 21, 2001 3:46 PM
Favourite FallaciesJon
Nov 21, 2001 4:00 PM
Treks are bad bikes

Lightspeeds are bad bikes

People who ride treks and lightspeeds are bad people

Aluminum fatigues faster than _______fill in the blank

Boutique food...supplement...recovery food will make you ride faster...better...stronger.

Real roadies______name your favourite snobbism/prejudice.
Hey geniusThe Hammer
Nov 23, 2001 8:47 AM
Who says Lightspeeds are bad bikes? One or two people? So you choose this to be your favorite fallacy?
Aluminum does fatigue faster than steel and ti. It's a scientific fact. Whether that makes a difference in the life of a bike is another question.
Your last listing isn't even a fallacy. This thread is to name your FAVORITE. You're supposed to give a specific snobbism/prejudice, not give a blanket statement.
Please try to think, just a little.
The doctors I can handle ...Elefantino
Nov 21, 2001 5:31 PM
... it's my wife that I can't. She has sworn me not to ride (outside) until Jan. 8. I think she even checks my FlightDeck when I'm not around, just to make sure.

Not that she doesn't trust me or anything.

And not like I don't know who's the boss around here or anything.
The next bike will be the lastmickey-mac
Nov 21, 2001 4:29 PM
(To spouse, s.o., mom, boss, and anyone else who will lsiten): Yeah, this time I'm going to go with a carbotitanimum frame that will last forever. I'm going to set it up with top of the line Shimagnolo stuff that will never go out of style and ride the thing forever. I'll never want or need another bike as long as I live. I'm going to be buried with this beauty.
wow, i learned this one the hard way. nmJs Haiku Shop
Nov 23, 2001 6:03 AM
Fallacies not Flame bait...lolHUH
Nov 21, 2001 4:47 PM
I'm improving. nmMB1
Nov 21, 2001 4:55 PM
It's not about the bike! nm.Dutchy
Nov 21, 2001 5:05 PM
Campy wears in, Shimano wears outI Love Shimano
Nov 21, 2001 5:56 PM
Poppycock!

This is not flame bait, no flamers please.
The Biggest Fallacy Ever!!BigLeadOutGuy
Nov 21, 2001 6:08 PM
Lance is faster than me!
Shyeah right..I'll smoke him!
haha
I need a new bike (even though I have a perfectly good one) nmBruno S
Nov 21, 2001 6:42 PM
I really need an SUV...Starliner
Nov 21, 2001 6:54 PM
... except that I need a ladder to put my bikes into the roof rack
The Naked ApeJofa
Nov 21, 2001 8:10 PM
-Yeah, this frame's much more supple for long distances than the other one. It doesn't accelerate quite as well, but it doesn't beat you up either.

-Yeah, mine's really responsive, 'cos the back end's really tight. It's really, you know, flickable, but that's definitely down to the wheels, which accelerate sooo fast. I don't know how you can ride that thing in a straight line, I can see it getting way noodly under you man.

-Doesn't happen: I've soft-spoked the wheels, 4x front nearside, semi crows foot half radial front offside. It's to compensate for the gyroscopic effect of the wheel throwing me off course. Also I've balanced it with lead. That baby ain't shimmying on me now, course I have to turn the wheel around in the southern hemisphere.

-that's neat, but you want to get some aero hoops on there, I did a scientific test down a hill and went easy 10mph faster with them. Also they're really, unbelievably, totally strong. I've done nearly twelve miles so far and I've only had to send them away to be trued twice- and hey- I'm a clydesdale.

-I'm mainly concerned about the fact that these carbon dropouts apparently only soak up the mid-level vibrations. I'm going to have my body acoustically harmonised so I can be sure I don't get damaged by dangerous frequency ranges. Apparently there's a guy in Colorado who'll measure your aura and custom fit your bike to it, to avoid bad energy pulses.

-you wanna get that looked at FAST... man I wouldn't need a harmonic imbalance on a downhill corner, sheesh... say, could I borrow your old CNC'd plutonium stem? I've heard they handle really well. Mine's alright, but I think it's working against me when I'm drifting the bike around a corner with my knee down...

etc...e.t.c...e....t....c.....
Thanks for the laugh. nmDutchy
Nov 21, 2001 9:38 PM
Jofa, You Win Hands Down.LMAO! (nm)Jon
Nov 22, 2001 9:14 AM
wow, good oneDog
Nov 22, 2001 10:50 AM
Good one. But for real life idiocy, I actually heard a guy, who was in fact slower than snot, tell me and a group of guys who darn well know better than his Rolf's "kicked in and pulled him over 27 mph." We laughed our asses off. This guy spent 95% of his time in his small ring, the 30 tooth one. He braked all the way down hills. He got off an walked over cattle guards. Not certain he ever hit 27 mph.

One old guy said, "Are you sure your computer isn't set to kilometers?"

He was getting ready to attempt the Climb to Kaiser, which has some pretty nasty climbs. As a joke, I told him that there was no way he'd make it with those heavy Rolfs. He went right out and bought some Heliums. I sorta felt bad.

The wheels "pulled" him. That was a good one.

Doug
components of speedHairy
Nov 21, 2001 9:22 PM
Shaving my legs makes me go faster.
re: Your favorite cycling fallacy?mackgoo
Nov 21, 2001 10:56 PM
There is no diference between Campy and Shimano.
bikers cant get it up-spend too much time on their asses!slomo
Nov 21, 2001 11:02 PM
riding is better then sex or even close!!...nmcycleguy
Nov 21, 2001 11:22 PM
I'm sure we've all ridden with someone like this:Leisure
Nov 22, 2001 1:36 AM
It is somehow important for me to be better than you...

Therefore I am better than you...

No matter how little evidence I have...

Or how little you care...

There must be some excuse...

I will find a way to rationalize to myself that I am.
I shave because it helps with road rashmr_spin
Nov 22, 2001 7:12 AM
If you crash often, maybe this makes sense. But give me a break. All the prep work people do for crashing is laughable! I prefer to spend more effort on not crashing!
It's stiff yet resilient.nee Spoke Wrench
Nov 22, 2001 7:23 AM
smilesJofa
Nov 22, 2001 1:09 PM
That's pretty much everything I was getting at, only compressed, with far better comedic restraint, into one pithy sentence.

Jofa
thesediggler
Nov 22, 2001 6:10 PM
We abide.
Remain In Light.
re: Your favorite cycling fallacy?muncher
Nov 23, 2001 9:37 AM
You'll make it up on the flats.
or on the descent nmDog
Nov 23, 2001 3:08 PM
Cycling leads to impotence.VictorChan
Nov 23, 2001 12:02 PM
The statement is generally held as valid for couch potatoes. Hence, it gives them the reason not to take cycling for their workout--if they ever do any workout at all that's the question.
"once you get over 200 miles, nothing changes"Dog
Nov 23, 2001 3:11 PM
That one is actually in the book, "Complete Guide to Long Distance Cycling." Nope, not true.

Dog