|how come i never see any gios' on the road?||dupe|
Nov 21, 2001 8:39 AM
|looking thru the catalogue's from excel. some of their frames sound ok for the price (steel). i can remember them having a "name" and wonder if they are no longer enthused about. i even think i saw one team in europe riding them and admit that it was a releif to see a one color bike - elegant.
any users? opinions?
Nov 21, 2001 8:44 AM
|Kelme used to ride them, before they switched to LOOK (1999?). You don't see many on the road because they have a limited distribution channel. Excel Sports is their exclusive USA distributer, so any you see were bought from Excel, and one source just can't sell that many bikes.|
|are they any good.||dupe|
Nov 21, 2001 9:09 AM
|from the old one's i see for sale they seem to hold their value and have a certain mystique.
looking to save my pennies with the hope of springing for one in the spring. i dont think i would go with the option of the gios emblazeoned seat, stem, pedals, bartape, etc etc. that sounds a bit gaudy. would be happy for the frame/fork with a headbadge.
dedaccai make some nice tubesets. i think i could build a good bike from the bits that i have. if it rode well i would definately consider it.
have a hotshot altec2 frame but i know its not going to last the way i ride it - which is its intended purpose.
|A bit of history||zelig1|
Nov 21, 2001 10:23 AM
|Gios road bikes didn't come to be until the beginning of the 70's. The first one I saw was in 1973, bought by a local wrench in Cambridge, Mass who lived for Italian bikes and brought it back from a trip in Italy. I saw it at the race series in Franklin Park and my desire for a Masi Gran Criterium (which he owned previously) or Colnago Super ended that day (well, not quite). Importing into the States began under Cortina Cycles located in the West Side of New York, south of Hells Kitchen. I order my Gios Torino directly from them in late 1974 and it arrived in the beginning of 1975. Price for frame and fork were $250. These were the days before the white panel paint schemes and medallions in the fork crown. Chrome fork with semi-sloping crown with GT engraved in the tops and a like cutout in the bottom bracket. Full brazes on's including shifter bosses. Rear fork spacing was 126mm for 6spd freewheel, required short reach brakes and shift levers for braze on bosses. Sounds like retro stuff today but that sh*t, hubs, brake calipers, freewheel and shift levers, were extremely hard to find in the Northeast corridor, or by mail, during 1975. Tubing was Columbus SL on the smaller sizes and SL/SP on the larger sizes, all with short point lugs. Traditional Italian geometry of that time with a fairly low bottom bracket height of 26cm. I contributed the picture in the Cycles d'Oro section showing a 1973 team issue (actually 1974). That's the original look.
Secured their place in racing fame under Roger DeVlaeminck who rode them to 4 Paris-Roubaix victories, Patrick Sercu who took the Green Jersey in the Tour and Eric DeVlaeminck, Roger's brother, who took the World Cyclocross Title and currently coaches the Belgium National Cyclocross team.
This traditional version with the long horizontal drop outs was then available painted with white panels, later available in white, black, red and the Gios blue, included medaillions in the fork crown, and went to a concealed rear brake tunnel versus three top tube braze ons for the rear brake housing.
The compact was introduced sometime in the mid-80's and originally constructed of Columbus SLX. Not much has changed in the frame except the tubing which went to Oria and now Dedacciai. Oh, at one time it was made with a unicrown fork!
If you see an old one without the white panels and in blue, that's the rarest of the breed and the one to buy.
|A bit of history||DA|
Nov 21, 2001 11:43 AM
|http://www.gios.it/ (history section no longer working)
Nov 21, 2001 3:25 PM
|Tolmino Gios, one of the best pre WWII racers in Italy started Gios Cycles in 1948. 1972 Milan Bike show displayed the "Easy Rider" and the owner of Brooklyn Chewing Gum Co. loved the bike and began a pro team the following year. That is where the Brooklyn RWB jersey comes from. The electric blue color was also started with this team bike.|
|'Gios Torino' in the early years||nm|
Nov 21, 2001 3:44 PM
|it's the only place in the USA that sells them||Jack S|
Nov 21, 2001 8:46 AM
|and has been for several years- there may have even been a gap where there was no US distributor|
|There are lots of bikes I never see on the road||Dog|
Nov 21, 2001 8:57 AM
|Never seen a Gios, but lots of others, too:
Ciocc (for a long time, at least)
Lots of others I can't think of, too. These are bikes you would expect to see some of, but they just aren't around (here, at least). Might be a regional thing. Might be I just don't hang around with "cool" enough bike people.
Ones I see all the time:
Trek (tons of these)
|sounds about right...||Js Haiku Shop|
Nov 21, 2001 10:51 AM
|there are lots of Serottas 'round these parts. otoh, i see raleighs day in and day out (on weekends). couple Cioccs and a Coppi or two. Colnagos are few and far between in elvisville.
i've NEVER seen a merckx :-), and have only seen one bianchi besides mine.
I s'pose trek is everywhere 'cuz'a LA.
|There are lots of bikes I never see on the road||cioccman|
Nov 21, 2001 10:52 AM
|Interesting. Bikes I've never seen live and in person under a rider:
Dave Lloyd, Ind. Fab., MBK, Hampstein, Viner, Nevi, Quattro Assi, Lotus,
Very very rarely seen:
Waterford, Softride, Co-Motion, Moser, Vitus, Cinelli, Ciocc, Mondonico, Coppi, Olmo, Orbea, Carrera, Wilier
|Almost the other way in the UK||zelig|
Nov 21, 2001 2:11 PM
|US bikes you see a lot of in the UK and Europe:
Trek, particularly the 5200
Cannondale- They're incredibly popular
Great marketing push from these companies. Also, there's the allure of "it's not made here".
US bikes you don't see in the UK and Europe:
Litespeed (one spotted on the road in three years)
Top end bikes seen most frequently besides the aforementioned:
and local favorites depending on country. Makes you see once and never see or hear of again.
The place to see the retro as well as the latest and greatest bikes is Nice on Sunday mornings. The local paper posts the times and meeting places for the daily rides. Besides the great scenery and weather, it's a great thing to check out.
Dave Lloyd who makes a lot of frames for current and past UK riders in the World's and Olympics makes under both his own name and for Corrado in which he has an ownership interest. His work used to be featured under the Cougar name which Boardman, being a man of the North, patronized. I got measured by Dave for a Corrado two weeks ago in Liverpool so when the frame arrives, end of December, I'll post a picture. People in the States may be a bit jaded about Litespeeds but here was this well thought of builder, checking out my Vortex with great interest. As I said, they're frequently talked about but rarely seen in Europe.
|Oddly enough ...||scottfree|
Nov 21, 2001 9:05 AM
|I live in the redneck wilds of rural Kentucky, and there's only one other 'regular' rider who visits my grid of backroads -- and he rides a blue Gios.
Last place you'd expect to see one.
|a good reason to get one||DaveG|
Nov 21, 2001 9:14 AM
|Be the first on your block! One on the reasons I bought my Marin was that no one else in my club or anyone I know has one (few dealers in NJ). That's probably not the best reason to buy a bike, but I could not bear to add to the sea of Treks, 'dales, and Litespeeds (not that they are not good bikes). Gios has a good rep as far as I know and the price seems good. I at least considered them but the steep seat tube angle in the larger sizes steered me away|
|its the small things that appeal to me.||dupe|
Nov 21, 2001 9:53 AM
|i like the idea of replaceable drop-outs, restrained graphics, its made of steel so should i really bend the steel its not a lost cause, even the touch up paint so i dont have the incongruity of wheeling my bike into a cosmetic section of a department store to find a nail polish that matches to touch up paint chips (not that id ever find a blue nail polish but then im none too wise on these things).
being the first on my block doesn't really worry me as i already feel animosity from others when riding as most have never heard of the bikes that i have. im all for difference but i also would not really know much about subtle things on frame variances apart from fit, weight, stiffness/solidity and whether it likes to turn. having ridden some of the bigger brands only a few have had me genuinely enthused but most i wasn't able to perceive their magic and want to pay the price.
im sure there are those out there who can and appreciate and validate astronomical prices. but i am cheap and would suffer 10% in relative "performance" for a discount of 50%+.
but thats just me.
|I know a guy who has one||McAndrus|
Nov 21, 2001 9:42 AM
|I don't own one but I ride regularly with a Cat 3 racer who does. I'm not sure which model he owns but it is aluminum.
It's a beautiful looking ride and I know he put's a lot of wear and tear on it and it seems to hold up well.
|re: how come i never see any gios' on the road?||Lone Gunman|
Nov 21, 2001 9:52 AM
|Received a booklet in the mail from Velonews prior to the Giro this year. Promotional propaganda about all things Italian made for cycling. Gios, Casati, Cinelli, Colnago, Cramerotti,Cervelo were featured. Team Alexia rode them and poster "tarwheel" rides one. Yes they are rare to see on the road and I have often thought I would like to try one out, lugged steel model.|
|re: how come i never see any gios' on the road?||Js Haiku Shop|
Nov 21, 2001 10:52 AM
|beautiful frames. wanted one since the '99 tdf. didn't realize they were so affordable (relatively) 'til i saw the excel catalog (me too!).
somebody here awhile back posted about their "italian quick release" paint. something to consider.
|one color italian bike? basso.||colker|
Nov 21, 2001 12:17 PM
|the viper! a 90's model, no longer made. no one talks about them here. fast, beautifull, half lugged half brazed steel frames. red, yellow or white.|
|they were all one color until a few years ago||d'oh|
Nov 21, 2001 12:35 PM
|back in the day, before alu and ti (not counting team replica models)- not that long ago really|
|I've got one||grandemamou|
Nov 21, 2001 12:40 PM
|An 8 y/o compact pro. I use it for a training bike now. It's a little heavy for racing these days. So far the frame has outlasted a bottm bracket, headset and right shifter. It will probably outlast the whole grouppo.
Beautiful blue paint and the chrome fork is the prettiest piece of bicycling stuff I own. She's kind of beat up I will probably treat her to a paint job next year.
Nov 21, 2001 12:48 PM
|What do you mean by too heavy? Tarwheel's is only 2lbs (22lbs w/ Chorus) heavier than average (I think steel bikes average around 20lbs w/ Ultegra nowadays).
BTW, how does the ride compare w/ any other bikes you've tried?
Nov 21, 2001 12:56 PM
|Mines pushing 24 lbs with Athena and boat anchor wheels vs 16 for my Bianchi. Makes a big difference when the road turns vertical. That said you could easily come in under 20 lbs if you parted it out right|
|More info on the Compact Pro||kenyee|
Nov 21, 2001 12:46 PM
|I've been researching it as a possible stock bike that fits (if you have a long torso w/ short legs, it probably won't) thanks to tarwheel's (who loves his) suggestion.
They use Dedaccia Uno Zero (though the Excel folks claim it is straight Uno which it is not) tubing made especially for them (or so claims their site that only says they use some specail Dedaccia tubing). Only importer is Excel Sports who never seems to put the Compact Pro on sale (I even asked them if they'd have a year end clearance on it ;-). The Compact Pro has relatively short chainstays but has dropouts that can be adjusted roughly 1.5cm to go from a hill climber to a cruiser. The frame seems to be at least 5 yrs old (found postings on dejanews.com on it from then) and hasn't changed much, if at all, unlike the tendency for other makers to change frames every year.
It looks like a nicely built frame, though not as pretty as a Tommasini Sintesi (which wouldn't fit me) in the lug area. No idea what the warrantee is on it. The tubes are just straight cyclinders (not shaped).
Nov 21, 2001 12:59 PM
|Dude, there is no way those dropouts adjust 1.5 cm- more like 1/2 cm, certainly no more than 1 cm..... not enough to really affect the ride. And ya gotta remember that these bikes have steepish seat angles- combine that with a short top tube and you have a bike with pretty much average fit.
And Hincapie's bike is way too small.
Nov 21, 2001 2:26 PM
|I can't even remember where I got the dropout adjustment info. The Excel site mentions you can adjust the dropouts but doesn't mention how much it can be adjusted. The Gios site and PDF file don't mention it either.
Yes, if you take the effective top tube into account, it's more like a square frame, but most of the others I've looked at w/ standard STAs have a longer top tube than seat tube once you normalize the frame data to a fixed STA and seat tube measurement (and that's not even considering the setback which is something I'm still trying to understand how it relates to cockpit size)...
|Oh yeah drop outs are pretty too||grandemamou|
Nov 21, 2001 6:32 PM
|I kind of forgot about the little things. Real metal head badge,Gios stamped on the BB and fork, and my favorite of all the Italian flag brazed on the top tube. She definitely deserves a new paint job.
I played with the adjustable drop outs when I first got it. I couldn't feel any diff.