|Who is healthier? Who will live longer?||gtx|
Nov 20, 2001 2:35 PM
|I was wondering about this on my ride today. Take two guys, let's say they're identical twins. Both are 35 years of age.
Twin A) Goes to the gym 5-6 times per week, elevates his heart rate for 30 minutes on the treadmill or exercise bike or whatever, and generally maintains a healthy diet.
Twin B) Rides 3-4 times a week for a minimum of 1.5 hours, but sometimes as much as 3 hours, generally maintains a healthy diet, except on the days that he rides--and especially if he rides hard, he will tend to eat like a total pig with complete disregard for the nutritional value of what he is actually eating. And on the days he doesn't ride, he is completely lazy--the only exercise he gets is clicking the mouse or the remote or maybe lifting his bike into the repair stand.
Now, even if Twin A only rides the exercise bike, I'm pretty sure Twin B will be able to smoke him in a time trial or hill climb. But will Twin A live longer? (I realize that Twin A is more likely to get a STD, and Twin B is more likely to get run down by a driver on a cell phone.)
|TwinC: smoker/drinker/overeater/couch tater. outlive 'em all nm||Js Haiku Shop|
Nov 20, 2001 2:38 PM
|TwinC: smoker/drinker/overeater/couch tater. outlive 'em all nm||gtx|
Nov 20, 2001 2:42 PM
|In a New Yorker cartoon this week, a doctor tells his patient: "Medicine is giving the eat-drink-and-be-merry model another look."|
|that can be read two different ways, your statement||Js Haiku Shop|
Nov 20, 2001 2:47 PM
|like that offensive bumper sticker:
"will deer hunt for food"
now, is that a statement or a question? applied directly to your statement, medicine could be reconsidering the merits of eating, drinking, and being happy. i prefer to think of it this way: medicine is considering the health benefits of looking at hot (female, from my shoes) models in commercials for pizza and beer.
|good point nm||gtx|
Nov 20, 2001 2:54 PM
|A wise man once said,||vanzutas|
Nov 21, 2001 7:11 AM
|You will not live any longer by not drinking beer, It only seems longer.
I think B will live longer because he really does cross train. carrying Pizza in from the car, lifting that 19 pound bike into the work stand and turning a wrench. you must have finely a developed upper body. But your brother gets to check out the hotties at the gym, there is something to say for that.
|Twin A will live longer...I have spoken! (nm)||Godd|
Nov 20, 2001 2:39 PM
|I'll give you the answer that you'll endorse!||Mel Erickson|
Nov 20, 2001 2:49 PM
|You want it, you crave it, you need it to be Twin "B" 'cause that's you! Admit it! Besides it's not the quantity, it's the quality and "B" has it in spades. "B", all the way!|
|I'll give you the answer that you'll endorse!||Woof the dog|
Nov 20, 2001 4:55 PM
|well, see, here is a problem: how do you define whats healthy? I mean you can ride your bike all you want but if you do only that, you will have problems. You need to crosstrain. So, A buddy will be more developed overall and therefore will be able to succeed at any sport instead of being very good at one and plain disgustingly weak in lets say football. Jack of all trades idea would be more healthy. Twin A's patience to go to the gym 6 times a week tells me that he/she has more self control and will likely keep working on something forever, 'till like death or something. A character of twin B tells me that he is more influenced by being excessive at things (no time to chose better words/grammar, guys) i.e. he bikes like crazy, eats too much, does nothing off the bike. When he gets older, he will become a mini Eddy Merckx who is old and fat now. He will still pig out on food, will do nothing and above all he WON'T ride his bike!!!!!
Twin A wins! Although I am still a twin B type hehe!
Woof, the B dog
|Twin B hates cross training||gtx|
Nov 20, 2001 5:23 PM
|and anyway, he can't afford the "cross training" shoes. He spent too much on his Carnacs.|
|re: I think that I'm twin B!!||Softrider|
Nov 20, 2001 2:54 PM
Nov 20, 2001 6:25 PM
|aint nothing wrong with eating like a pig when you deserve to (ever see Lions or Tigers after a kill?).... and aint nothing wrong with recovery activities such as being "lazy"
I don't know that I want to "live longer"- when I read that my generation could live to 150 yrs (imagine spending over half your life in retirement? Few people can financially plan for that kind of money!)
Who is "healthier" ? How are we defining health?
Nov 20, 2001 8:09 PM
|...I smoke cigarettes while I ride. The nicotine really helps my spin, and the lack of oxygen in my blood stream forces me to stay anaerobic. Between that and the petrol fumes in the bus exhaust I'm like a fooking rocket.
Heh heh heh!
DISCLAIMER FOR THE SARCASTICALLY CHALLENGED: I'm kidding ya you dimwits...
|it would be kinda cool||Woof the dog|
Nov 24, 2001 3:05 AM
|if in the middle of a hilly road race you pull out a cigar, light it up, blow out some smoke, ask if anybody would like one as well, and then blow them away on the next hill and win the race (get all the money for it too!)
Ahhh, dreaming....but its so magical!
|Look at the big picture....||DINOSAUR|
Nov 20, 2001 9:57 PM
|Both are only 35 (which is young). Granted if they both lead the same life styles for the rest of their life the nod would go to twin C. However people on the whole tend to let themselfs go as they grow older for many reasons. Unfortunately no one knows what the future holds for any of us.
Another consideration is attitude. My 86 year old Italian Mother-In-Law is always happy, eats right, remains upbeat and cheerful, never has a bad thing to say about anything or anybody. She does worry about little stuff, but big important things don't seem to bother her. She knows how to live.
My thinking is you can do everything right and still not avoid desease. A lot of it has to do with genetics. Some folks do everything right and die young, some do everything wrong and live to a ripe old age.
I look at exercise as a life style. It's just something that I enjoy doing. I'm an exercise addict. I hope to think that it will help me live longer, but in the very least I'm happy in what I am doing and feel that I am living a full life. I just feel better being physically fit.
My 2 cents is that it's a combination of exercise, diet, rest, mental health (I might be lacking there) and taking precaution by seeing a doctor for a physical exam on a regular basis. Both my parents died when they were in their late 70's and early 80's. Both would still be alive if they would have sought medical advice when they started to experience problems. My mother-in-law as survived two bouts with cancer and has a pace maker. She will live into her 90's with no problem.
My father in law has alzheimer's and other medical conditions. We visit him often in a convelescent hospital. It's sad to see a lot of old folks with various medical problems. I don't know if living old is the right answer. I sure hope I just know who I am when I hit 79...
Nov 21, 2001 5:13 AM