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Can anyone help me out? (continued)fire737
Nov 15, 2001 7:52 PM
Can I first say I hate how this M/B just lets your topics fall to the bottom even though there are alot of replies to a topic. On most boards if you reply to a topic it goes back to the top. IMHO
Just like to say thanks to all who responded to my message about how to drop some pounds. Now that I have figured out what to do what are some of your ideas of what to eat? ie breakfast, lunch and dinner. I hate to say it but I was brought up on meat potatoes, casseroles etc. Don't really know any better. What are some good does and dont's fro eating? I hope you dont say not to eat eggs cause that would be way tough to do. Do people actually really count calories, carbs and fats. It makes sense but how do yo figure all of that out? I would really like to find out some of everyones favorite meals, and healthy snacks. Today I ate less than I normally do an have a massive headache. I think my brain in craving sugar
less of the sugar...kushogun
Nov 15, 2001 8:35 PM
First of all let me make a disclaimer to my following post. What I am about to tell you is what I have read, in no way do I consider myself an expert, but the foods I have learned to eat have allowed me to drop the baby fat, increase lean muscle mass, and increase energy.
-First Carbs are great if you can burn them off 48 hours after ingesting. If you cycling only a couple of times a week, a high carb load will be stored around the midsection!!! That's why several years ago, everyone on the pastas and bagel diets never lost any weight!!! Carbo loading is great if you ride on a regular basis.
-Protein supplied in meat, my favorite is chicken!!! Protein will promote muscle gain while not being stored as love handles. As far as eggs go, just eat the whites! High in protein. The yolks are what get you in trouble if you're trying to shed weight.
-Simple sugars are great if you're either about, or in the process of bonking. Stay away from high sugar intake while not riding. Sugar comes in many forms, glucose usually being the most apparent. However, sugar, if not burned off will be stored as that lovely stuff we call fat!
-Some ideas for food: Well for breakfast, some fruit, low-fat yogurt, museli, oatmeal, granola, or bran cereal will get you started on the right foot. For lunch, moderate portions of a pasta or lean meat. For dinner the options are limitless as long as you use some moderation. Again pasta, lean meat like free-range chicken, lean red meat, a bunch of green veggies!!! Potatoes are course are heavily ladened with starch, which is stored similar to carbs. Great for long term energy, but kinda bad for the midsection.
Come on people, any other suggestion would be great! Happy riding and I hope some of the info will help you out.
About the Eggsfire737
Nov 15, 2001 8:43 PM
What do you think about half and half? Half the whites and half the yolks. Like 2whites and 2 whole eggs. I have tried whites only and hate it. Would the 1/2 rule or even 1/3 rule work?
About the Eggskushogun
Nov 15, 2001 8:46 PM
Put it this way, the less yolk the better. So if that means weaning yourself to half and then a quarter so be it. I'm not the nutrition Nazi, just kinda how bad you wanna lose the extra weight... Motivation level??
Now.....can I put sugar on my eggs?Ahimsa
Nov 16, 2001 5:03 PM


Well, here's what I had todayGregJ
Nov 15, 2001 9:38 PM
Breakfast: oatmeal with a little honey and soy milk. half a banana and about half a cup of applesauce. cup of coffee.
Mid morning snack: single cappacino(not normal, had a bit of free time this morning)
Lunch:tofu salad(tofu, mayo,dill and onion) on rye with sweet pickles,a pear, and some baked chips and salsa
Afternoon snack: baked spiced rice snack from Trader Joes. Sounds bad but really tasty.
Dinner: large lettuce salad with radishes and sunflower seeds, dried black olives and olive oil and vinegar, baked sweet potato, corn meal mush with honey.
I have been a vegetarian for many years, I do eat a few servings of cheese a week, I will have 2 eggs poached about once a week and cream in my coffee. I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables(raw and cooked), I eat tofu and tempeh, and I eat only whole grain breads. I have ice cream once a month or less and rarely have rich desert. I also don't drink. Other meals I eat a lot of are pastas with marinara or pesto and rice with steamed or sauteed vegetables and tofu.
I'm really quite a normal person, really.
re: Can anyone help me out? (continued)morey
Nov 16, 2001 4:20 AM
Breakfast - 2 poached eggs
2 slices whole wheat toast
8 oz Oatmeal made with apple juice
1 Cup Coffee
Eggs are filled with pesticides, artificial hormones,cyclinseth
Nov 16, 2001 5:29 AM
antibiotics and other indutrial waste product (ie mercury, dioxin etc.) do you really want to eat that stuff?

There are so many whole food cookbooks on the market I don't even know where to start. There are also books more scientifically based books on this subject.

White sugar is a neuro-toxin drug. If it was invented today the FDA would not release it for human consumption. As you ween yourself from processed "food" you might have to endure withdrawl symptoms.

As far as counting calories and carb, fat, protien, I don't bother. I eat what ever I want as much as I want.

By the way, don't eat anything solid after 7pm!
Eggs are filled with pesticides, artificial hormones,fire737
Nov 16, 2001 6:18 AM
Thanks for the great advice. Lets keep this one going wth more information.
if you are interested in the politics of this issue thencyclinseth
Nov 16, 2001 7:44 AM
two books that immediately come to mind are "Diet For a New America" by John Robbins (changed my life) and "Diet For a Small Planet" author unknown, a woman. Another author is Gary Null ( There is also another good book called "Internal Cleansing" author unknown, a woman.

Friends don't let friends eat dairy!
Eggs are filled with pesticides, artificial hormones,morey
Nov 16, 2001 9:35 AM
If I recall so is milk, water, beef, chicken, fish, water and even air. Woe is us!!!!
Eggs are filled with pesticides, hormones, and baby chickens...Ahimsa
Nov 16, 2001 5:05 PM
"By the way, don't eat anything solid after 7pm!"

Aaaah...there go the peanuts with my ale.


Eat more --- not lessthe_gormandizer
Nov 16, 2001 6:35 AM
As some of the earlier posters indicated, the only way to lose weight is to take in fewer calories than you expend. If you're doing a lot of cycling, you expend lots of calories and you can be less fussy about the amount you eat. However, it also matters what you eat, how often you eat and when you eat.

One author who makes a lot of sense -- although I don't agree with him on every point --- is Larry North. I'm not recommending his products that sell on infomercials, but he has a couple of cheap paperbacks out that have some good guidelines and recipe ideas. One thing he suggests is that you eat more often (up to 6 meals/snacks a day) but eat less in every meal. The ideal meal combines lean protein with carbs and some high-fiber vegetable. The protein portion should not be larger than your palm (or a pack of cards). The carbs portion should be about the size of your fist. You can eat as much of the vege (e.g. spinach, broccoli) as you like. The food should be cooked using a low-fat method. If you use oil for cooking or salad dressing make sure it's olive or canola oil, and use it sparingly. Stay away from high-fat foods like fries, full-fat cheese and foods high in sugar.

When it comes to carbs I think you have to find a way of judging which are the best carbs. For instance, is refined white bread the same as oatmeal? The glycemic index basically indicates how quickly the carb is converted into glucose in the blood. Generally, refined carbs have a high glycemic index (e.g. white bread, white sugar, etc). Beer has a glycemic index that's through the roof, and other alcohol is not much better. Some foods are counter-intuitive --- potatoes also have a surprisingly high glycemic index, sweet potatoes have a low index. Once you get the hang of it, it's simple. You'll soon learn that if you have rice, choose brown rice. If you have bread, choose a whole grain bread. If you have pasta, choose a pasta made from whole wheat flour, perhaps mixed with semolina. If you want something sweet, eat fresh fruit (not bananas) instead of candy. Surprisingly, fructose has a lower glycemic index than many other sugars. One author who developed these theories is Michele Montignac. His books ring with stereotypically French superiority, but contain excellent recipes and have glycemic index tables.

When you are designing a diet, use good judgment to eat wholesome, balanced meals. Fad diets that steer you toward too much protein or too much carbs or too much of any one thing are not too be trusted. It's a truism that too much of a good thing isn't good. Read at least one book on nutrition. You can pick up Jane Brody's nutrition book at used book stores for a few bucks. It's old, but what she wrote 10 years ago still makes a lot of sense. You could also go to a bookstore and get some simple low-fat cookbooks. Make sure that each recipe has nutrition information, since you need to be sure that the low-fat recipe is not high in sugar.
Use Latest Response........Len J
Nov 16, 2001 7:40 AM
to sort the topics by those that are currently being responded to.

Sorry I don't know much about nutrition, I was blessed with a body that maintains low coles/low blood pressure/high metabolic rate no matter what I eat.

Regarding message sorting and falling off page!!Kristin
Nov 16, 2001 7:41 AM
There are several ways to sort the screens.
1) Default - Latest Topic: which sorts threads by topic newest to oldest
2) Latest Response: If you click on this column header, the board will resort to show threads with the most recent posts to them. This is the way I sort 90% of the time.

I won't speak to the whole diet thing anymore. It enrages me almost more than those political discussions we've had. Any village idiot can gain access to the printing press these days. And every "expert" pushes off their theories as gospel truth with little regard for actual research--not to mention long term results. There is so much information available, its like drinking from a fire hydrant, and hoping the water is pure. My head swims with all the contradictory information that has been posted in these two threads alone. Wow! Its worse than sitting in a jury box, listenting to "expert testimony."


Energy BalanceJon
Nov 16, 2001 8:42 AM
At there's an excellent too with which to determine and calculate
your net energy balance. It's called, I believe, The Little Green Book. It was devised by
Chris Brewer, the webmaster, and it works.
Nov 16, 2001 11:04 AM
I read through the page and it seems solid. I'm a personal financial councilor (volunteer) at my church and oddly enough we use a green book too. Its the first thing we have someone do before we help them establish a budget. They must record everything they spend in a little green book.

I just began using the following website:

I really like this site. They have a large database of foods and a good excercise log as well as a journal. One feature I REALLY like is the pie chart on the foods eaten page. Very revealing. A visual indication that I'm taking in more fat than carbs is a big motivator to pay attention. The only portion I'm trusting so much is the "calories expended" feature. The site calculated this based only upon sex, weight and height, so its probably not accurate.
oops... typoKristin
Nov 16, 2001 11:05 AM
Should be:

"The only portion I DON'T trust is the "calories expended" feature. The site calculated this based only upon sex, weight and height, so its probably not accurate."
oops... typoJon
Nov 16, 2001 11:39 AM
Yeah, you're probably right. What you need to do is calculate your basal metabolic rate, average
daily energy expenditure for normal activities, probable energy expenditure from exercise, then
balance that with caloric intake minus 200 to 500 Kcal per day to achieve a manageable
weight loss.
oops... typomorey
Nov 16, 2001 11:56 AM
The trick would be in calculating BMR. Costs mucho bucks for the equipment. However, if you are lucky to be near a University with an exercise physiology lab, give them a call!!
Regarding message sorting and falling off page!!peloton
Nov 16, 2001 1:01 PM
Actually agree with a lot of that rant. Especially those who push the ''new' diets that are supposed to be so great like Adkins, etc. I love people who say high protein is so great but have no idea what glyconeogenesis is, or why they should know about ketones. If people knew why Adkins worked, and what it did to their body's chemistry they might think differently. There are a lot of quacks out there when it comes to nutrition and supplementation. One should be skeptical about what one takes into their body.