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I pulled this off Campyonly....(31 posts)

I pulled this off Campyonly....I Love Shimano
Nov 11, 2001 10:26 PM
On 10/3 Campy USA stated that a price still hasn't been set, though retail will probably be in the $900 to $1,000 range, with no idea what the wholesale price will be. Accurate info. or red herrings?? Time will tell!" We will of course keep our readers informed as the carbon saga continues . . .
" October 1, 2001--We've heard a more accurate price for the carbon crankset--around $850-900. Time to start looking for a bank to rob . . .
September 26, 2001--How much for a carbon crankset? We're still looking for a definitive answer, but the latest we've heard is that the price will be more than $700--maybe as high at $1,000. That would put the price for a top-of-the-line Record gruppo well over $2,000. Start saving your spare change now, everyone . . . "

This is preposterous! What sucker would buy a carbon crankset for $700?!?!?!?! Why should a Campy carbon crank cost double that of a FSA crank? Does a Campy carbon crank give a noticeable added benefit over the regular Record, Dura-Ace or SORA crank?

Somebody enlighten me, I think the consumer market is regressing is Campy honestly thinks it will sell a bunch of these 'pure hype' products.
re: I pulled this off Campyonly....mackgoo
Nov 12, 2001 6:14 AM
Enlightenment does not belong to those trolling in the dark.
with a name like I Love Shimano...NV?
Nov 12, 2001 6:24 AM
Why should your posting about Campy be taken seriously? What are you doing on a Campy site anyway? Troll.
with a name like I Love Shimano...I Love Shimano
Nov 12, 2001 6:36 PM
I regularly view the campy site because I keep my options open and think about getting campy in the future if it suits me. I Love Shimano is just a name, it does not mean that I am a Campy hater.

BTW, I also think that the 25th Aniv Shimano DA set is pure BS. $2k for a gruppo is way too much.
Must be buyers remorseB1
Nov 13, 2001 8:39 AM
I think he's looking at a Campy website the same way a teenager looks at a Vitoria's Secret catalog.
Campy is a logical step up from Shimano.

As with the Campy Record carbon crank, no one's making anyone buy one, but I bet they will sell alot of them though.
They do not market them to suckers.vanzutas
Nov 12, 2001 6:46 AM
On the main (english) page of Campy there is a big picture of the crank and it says "Discover Milan Show Biggest Novelty". My point is that even though the english is weak they are marketing it as a novelty. if you read into the crank page it says that this is an upgrade but they will leave the old cranks with the groupo because they are tried and true. They obviously don't expect that these become main stream this year but they sure have created a buzz and in the next few years the price will come down and reliability improves and the carbon cranks will be on all Record groups. This has been done for ever. Remember the CD player (that is as far back as I go) it was way more expensive than a tape deck. There were only few Cd's that you could even get. so only a few people bought them. now most cars come with a cd player and I would say a majority of people have them at home. This is not the first time and this is not the last.

Adam (All Shimano in my stable (one sugino crank))
Maybe not.....grzy
Nov 12, 2001 2:05 PM
Seems the "carbon" novelty hasn't worn off the Record brake levers or rear deraileur, nor has the price come down. To understand things Italian you need to understand their sense of style and the value they place on it. It is more important to look good than it is to feel good. they certainly aren't going to suddenly start beating the Japanese at the manufacturing game. Therefore they need some other hook - gentlemen, I give you carbon ash trays.
price, thoughDog
Nov 12, 2001 2:11 PM
The carbon Record brake levers, seat posts, and derailleur are fairly comparable to non-carbon parts (at least the brake levers are even cheaper than Dura Ace now). The cranks are what, three to four times more than non-carbon? I think that will be hard to swallow, and won't mass market sell until the price comes down. $750 is too much; $450 might do it.

Doug
Not only insightful, but humorous as well!!! nmnutmegger
Nov 12, 2001 4:26 PM
Speaking of expensive stuff...DINOSAUR
Nov 12, 2001 9:37 AM
The new Selle San Marco Era Composite saddle for around $350.00. At a mere 128 grams, the weight weenies delight.
For that amount of money I'm trying to think how many jerseys I could purchase...
Speaking of expensive stuff... Dinosaurcioccman
Nov 12, 2001 10:04 AM
The SLR is right about 135 grams and can be had for well under $100.

I really want an AX Lightness that weighs in at an incredible 75 grams. Converted, the price is somewhere around $250. Only problem is acquiring one. Gotta have friends over there willing to do you a huge favor, or get on a plane yourself.
Speaking of expensive stuff... Dinosaurgrzy
Nov 12, 2001 2:06 PM
Hmmm, I bet it's really comfy.
Speaking of expensive stuff... Dinosaurcioccman
Nov 12, 2001 2:15 PM
It's quite similar to the SLR carbon that weighs ~95 grams. There are two of them. One is half covered with a very thin layer of leather (like the SLRs) and one with no covering at all. They are beautiful.
A piccioccman
Nov 12, 2001 2:30 PM
Here ya go.
Goes well with brass balls?! (nm)grzy
Nov 12, 2001 4:31 PM
Isn't "schwarze" black?mickey-mac
Nov 12, 2001 4:40 PM
If so, I'm wondering whether "kunste" means taint.
Let 'em tarnish! ;-)grzy
Nov 12, 2001 5:11 PM
As far as "tainting" goes - you're on your own!

Maybe it's waht happens after you ride one of these on a century.

I think I saw one of these in an S & M shop up in SF.
Surely worth every penny.cioccman
Nov 13, 2001 7:43 AM
Lighter than an SLR carbon, with or without the leather cover. They cannot even satisfy the demand for their saddles in their own country. Hand built masterpieces, each and every one.
re: I pulled this off Campyonly....TheMaxx
Nov 12, 2001 10:53 AM
What about the 25th Anniversary Dura-Ace stuff? I think that falls under over-priced "pure hype" products.
or the Dura Ace "Team" componentsDog
Nov 12, 2001 1:13 PM
Both are/were radically overpriced. You pay extra for larger "Shamano" logos. The 25th components may have had some SRP Ti bolts, as well, but an entire SRP bolt package for DA is less than $200. For the rest of the $2500 you got a case and a watch.

Doug
or the Dura Ace "Team" componentsgrzy
Nov 12, 2001 2:09 PM
I've seen the 25th Aniversary components go for a lot less than the $2,500. You can still buy them in some shops. Problem is, what do you do when you scuff or destroy them after a spill?
right-oDog
Nov 12, 2001 2:15 PM
If you paid full price, you sure as heck better not use them. If you do, they are suddenly worth, what, maybe $700 (price for used DA parts)? At $2500, they have only collector value, over and above the regular price. I did see some selling for $1300 at one point, though. I'd cry if I spent the full price.

Hey, I'll sell you a "collector" DeLorean, too. Just don't drive it.

Doug
or the Dura Ace "Team" componentsTheMaxx
Nov 12, 2001 4:59 PM
You can get them for much less now, but it's probably because nobody went for the original price. Retailers are just trying to get their investment back.
or the Dura Ace "Team" componentsmetonymy3
Nov 12, 2001 6:41 PM
does anyone have a pic of these "Team" series components? I've never seen them. What made them different from regular DA, were they 9spd?

Chris
or the Dura Ace "Team" componentsI Love Shimano
Nov 12, 2001 9:41 PM
Look at Lance's bike. I think these components were basically Dura-Ace with the big Shimano logo on the cranks and brake levers.
or the Dura Ace "Team" componentsgrzy
Nov 13, 2001 8:34 AM
They're DA all right - they just plastered "SHIMANO" in conspicuous locations mentioned above, plus the seat post.
maybe the sucker is youCT1
Nov 12, 2001 9:59 PM
After all, you like Shitmano! LOL!!!!

JohnG
maybe the sucker is youI Love Shimano
Nov 12, 2001 11:25 PM
What's wrong with Shimano CT1?
That's more than my whole Daytona grouppo.Leisure
Nov 13, 2001 1:59 AM
Heck yeah, that price sounds nasty. One of the worst feelings though is hearing ridiculous prices like that, being absolutely sure that the product will fall hopelessly short of anything constituting a reasonable consumer value, only to ride it and find that it really does exceed everything else just painfully enough to ever-so-marginally exceed diminishing returns and find its way on your must-have list. I hate that feeling. Sometimes disappointment is less painful.
Perhaps Campy thinks they've done something for carbon cranks that noone else has. It's theoretically possible, but I have a hard time seeing it being reasonably stiffer than the FSA-carbon, especially given that visually it doesn't look dramatically different from anyone else's carbon offerings. But hey, if you got the dough and need the drool factor...I'm not immune.
I've got Raceface's ISIS NEXT LP cranks on my mtb, and while I have to acknowledge that either Turbines or XTR would have also been more than enough, I also admit that I can certainly feel the difference in stiffness in the NEXT cranks. It doesn't necessarily matter if it amounts to any empirically worthwhile benefit. If the difference can be felt, it's going to be worth it to someone.
re: Why buy a Ferrari when Corvette is faster? ( nm)Sharky
Nov 13, 2001 4:09 AM
One word: corners. (nm)grzy
Nov 13, 2001 8:32 AM