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Colnago C40 or CT1(46 posts)

Colnago C40 or CT1OOF
Nov 9, 2001 12:05 PM
I'm caught in two minds, do I buy a C40 B-Stay or do I buy a CT-1 B-Stay. Questions Questions Questions.
Newbie Need Help. Is any one out there ? Help.
About to make a big buy. difference between Titanium and Carbon ? Titanium ride anyone ? Carbon ride anyone ? Correct bike size anyone ? 6'2" 200lbs, Bomb Proof Wheelsets anyone ?
re: Colnago C40 or CT1slow-ron
Nov 9, 2001 12:11 PM
if you've never had a colnago you'd better be careful with the sizing. the top tubes are short. i sized mine by the top tube length instead of the seat tube and it fits perfect
re: Colnago C40 or CT1OOF
Nov 9, 2001 1:59 PM
How do I size by the top tube ?
A newbie getting a Colnago right off the bat?!HA
Nov 9, 2001 12:17 PM
Now that's funny.
Pinarello Expert, Colnago NewbieOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:01 PM
Pinarello Expert, Colnago Newbie
re: Colnago C40 or CT1raboboy
Nov 9, 2001 12:18 PM
I'd say that is too much bike for a newbie, unless money is not an issue at all. maybe start with something used to get a feeling of what you may or may not like.

just my 2 cents.
Pinarello Expert, Colnago NewbieOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:06 PM
Pinarello Expert, Colnago Newbie. OK
given you're a newbie, I wouldn't settle for theseET
Nov 9, 2001 12:18 PM
There must be a more expensive, $5000+ bike out there somewhere to make you much happier.
Pinarello MontelloOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:08 PM
I had a Montello in mind.
Porsche or Ferrari??Rusty McNasty
Nov 9, 2001 12:27 PM
hey i'm 15 just got my permit looking for a reall kool car should i get a porsche or a ferrari my daddy is rich.

Seriously, now, if ya gotta ask da goons here what size youse need in a $4000 bike, ya shouldn't be ridin' one!

Buy yourself a decent steel bike that FITS, first. Learn to ride it. Figure out what you really want, then order it for the next season.
Whenever a newby comes to one of our rides with a bike like that, we always laugh about them (usually right after we dump 'em)! They usually stop riding in a few months (maybe because the bike never seems to fit them??), and they dump the bike on eBay, for 1/2 what they paid for it. Then they have the nerve to complain about snotty roadies!
Don't be a poseur. Learn before you leap.
re: go custom!dzrider
Nov 9, 2001 12:41 PM
For some reason you want a hot-$hit, top shelf bike without knowing much about it. See somebody who does and have them build a custom bike for you. At least it will fit. Otherwise you risk looking like a guy in an expensive but ill fitting suit and we wouldn't want that, would we.
I agree! Spend as much money as you can!Elefantino
Nov 9, 2001 2:29 PM
We're in a recession, and it could be that your purchase — your money alone — is the straw that will break this recession's back.

So, here's my advice:
• Charter a plane. Only the poor, huddled, unwashed fly first class. Go for a G-IV.
• Call Mig. He hasn't been doing much lately; tell him you'll pick him up on the way to ...
• Treviso, Italy, where you'll go to the Pinarello factory and have a bike custom built for you, and only you. That should set you back about six large.
• While there, stay at the nicest hotel — I'd go for the Villa Rosan, which is a gorgeous four-bedroom villa. It's only two grand a week, but then that doesn't include the chef.

When you get home, decide that the bike sucks, sell it on eBay and go to your LBS and buy a Colnago.

Then decide that one sucks too, sell it on eBay and buy a Trek.

Repeat until all options are exhausted.

Then buy Schwinn /GT back from Pacific Bicycle for, say, $150 million. You'll overpay, but it will be worth it. You will immediately stop the production of bikes bound for Wal-Mart and Costco. Then have the factory tool one up just for you.

By that time, we'll be out of the recession. And the country will thank you.
The economy's boomingOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:42 PM
Do ya know were I can get a Chef ?
How do I book a ticket to get to Italy ? Know any websites which sell tickets online to Italy ?

Look foward to your reply

Gota GO, got a call from Fausto
Ask Fausto if he's seen Elvis (nm)Elefantino
Nov 9, 2001 3:19 PM
re: Colnago C40 or CT1zero1
Nov 9, 2001 12:51 PM
i have been riding since 1983 and i just purchased a colnago mxl which is steel and i love it...my suggestion to you before u buy a bike this expensive is to go out and test as many bikes as you can to make sure u like it and by all means make sure it fits u perfect....really funny u asked for advice here and it seems that all these people just want to do is criticize you for buying what you want...so what if they call u a poser...i dare someone to call me that because i bought what i wanted...that is the reason that i ride mainly by myself so i do not have to listen to all these egos...i probably have biking shoes older than most of the people that post here...my advice again is if the bike fits and u like the way it rides, buy it and do not worry about what anybody else says....ride safe and good luck...
All you guys your jealous ?OOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:13 PM
Thanks Zero 1, have you tried out a Campy Carbon Crank. Money no's object.
sure.. of idiots.colker
Nov 9, 2001 4:00 PM
they always make me jealous. thay can have fun with stupid humour. their life is simple. i'm a complex being with complex necessities and tastes.
go ride (if you can ride a bike)
I agree it's a mistakeDCP
Nov 9, 2001 12:56 PM
You can read about bike fit and get expert advice until you almost convince yourself you know what you are doing, but you don't. Now that I'm only a semi-newbie (10 months), I'm convinced that you should buy a bike that you believe fits but that you can easily sell in a year or two. Then you will know what works for you and you can make an investment in a bike that is perfect.
I agree it's a mistakezero1
Nov 9, 2001 1:09 PM
i agree its a mistake also but there is no reason for someone to criticize someone for buying what they want...
BikeFit Please S.O.SOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:15 PM
Bike Fit any formulas ?

Pinarello expert Colnago Newbie, get that folks ?
Pinarello "expert" with no idea about bike fit?!AH
Nov 9, 2001 2:19 PM
Now that's funny.
Scientific BikeFit ?OOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:22 PM
Scientific BikeFit ?
Not Bikeshop stand next to bike fit ?
Thats your size OK !
Can't figure out whether to go Ti or carbon eithercioccman
Nov 9, 2001 2:23 PM
Most *experts* I know have spent enough time on all types of rigs to know what material they prefer and for which type of application.
Is that so ?OOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:45 PM
Do you expert friends know what formula to use to get the correct bike size ?

You do ?

Well what is it ?

thanks for letting me know expert
this may helphinaults dog
Nov 10, 2001 6:11 AM
http://www.bsn.com/cycling/ergobike.html
get the C40GIGO
Nov 9, 2001 1:06 PM
Based on your size I'd say you need a 50cm frame and I recommend Tiagra components. Get ADA wheels.
I'd buy a Lightspeed, if I were him. 48 cm frame (nm)Rusty McNasty
Nov 9, 2001 1:22 PM
Size 50cm ?OOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:19 PM
What planet are you from ?

6' 1" ? 50 cm ? Are you nuts bud ? Dont ya mean 60cm ?

From
OOF
Planet Earth
some expertwow
Nov 13, 2001 5:22 AM
comments on size, but not component rec? cool, a C40 with ADA wheels and tiagra.... show up with that and be the laughing stock of the peloton
Ignore the idiots, buy the best bike you can afford. . .js5280
Nov 9, 2001 1:11 PM
Both are very nice bikes from what I hear. If you're looking to spend that type of money, you should be able to get a lot of specialized attention from a shop to find the perfect bike you're looking for. One of these may or may not be one of them. Just realize, rolling up on a $4K+ bike will get people's attention initially, but no bike comes w/ the legs that are needed to get respect as cyclist. An expensive bike ups that ante and might make you the object of ridicule. (Exhibit A)

As for the idiots. Do you really want to live in a society that determines what you can and cannot buy? How about how the maximum amount of money you should make? We have the start of that already and I don't care to go further down that path.

May your passion for cycling exceed your wallet ;-)
GeniusOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:25 PM
js5280 Your a genius, I agree with you, your IQ must b astronomical, am I correct ?
Thanks for the advice
Random reflections.Len J
Nov 9, 2001 1:16 PM
I'm not sure where to begin but I'll dive in with both feet.

If you are truly a newbie who is intent on riding & improving then I would recommend the following (for the following reasons):

1.) Unless you are willing (or able (or both)) to throw away $4,000 or more on a learning bike, I would not buy either of these bikes as my first bike. Not that they aren't beautiful and great bikes, but the chance of either of these fitting you and your riding style in a year of hard riding are pretty slim. What kind of riding will you predominatly do? Will you race or not? What kind of Racing? What kind of distances? Supported Rides or not? What kind of roads? How flexible are you? How flexible is your body capable of being? etc etc etc Slow down until you have more experience. Now, if you've got money you are willing to burn, then that's another animal. I would just hate to see you burn this much money & regret it in a year, when you look at the type of riding you really do & find out that the bike isn't the best for the purpose.

2.)If you are intent on spending this much then test ride as many bikes as possible. see chainreaction.com for a great article on properly test riding a bike.

3.) Spend some time learning about bike fit. There is nothing more important in long range bike use than fit. Do a search on this site, check out Colorado cyclist web site or do a internet search on "Bike Fit" Until you are comfortable that you understand fit (or unless you get lucky & get a good LBS to fit you right), be careful of what someone trys to sell you.

4.) As to your other questions, try doing a site search on this site for "Wheels" "Carbon" and Titanium" & spend some time drawing from the collective wisdom of this board. Not everything you read will be true but, you will see some consistant comments that will allow you to check for yourself.

Good Luck

Len
Wow a Person who thinks !OOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:31 PM
Len

Thanks for the advice, I have ckecked out Colorado Cyclist, I have got LeMonds Formula for bike size, that was great thanks.

Since you think, what advice would you give on top tube selection, as Colnago top tubes are a bit short.

I was unable to find any formula for calculating top tube length. I assume it's a combination of Torso Length and ARM Length, would that be correct LEN THINKING MAN ? Any Formula ? Any website ?
Go used to limit your potential lossesKurt H
Nov 9, 2001 1:31 PM
I agree with someone above that recommended a used bike to start. Any new bike is going to entail a hunk of depreciation as soon as it hits the sidewalk (someone correct me if I'm off on this one!) if you decide you don't like the bike. Heck, if you are REALLY new, you may decide in a few months that you don't even like road riding and you will be out a fistful of cash when you try to unload a high end bike like one of these.
For $1500 you can buy a REALLY nice used bike. Go through a legitimate LBS to make sure that they can get you onto a bike that fits you well. Then ride the c%&p out of it, as well as the bikes of friends you meet on the road or through bike clubs or shops. In a year or less you will have a much better idea of what you like and don't, enabling you to buy the bike of your dreams. And the best part? The $1500 bike can become your beater/bad weather bike OR you can sell it. And selling a used bike entails a much smaller financial loss.

Your money, your call, my .02.
Good luck!
Kurt H
PinarelloOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:34 PM
I have tried out a Pinarello, not to my liking, BikeFit was stand next to the bike. And that was it.
If you're spending the bucks......look271
Nov 11, 2001 9:22 AM
Go to a bike shop that sells Colnago and they will more than likely do bike fitting there. It's a no-brainer. Where do you live? East coast? Around Philly? Go to Bikes-by Kyle. Otherwise, check with peope who live in your area. Most reputable bike shops will do a fit kit for you.
re: Colnago C40 or CT1cioccman
Nov 9, 2001 2:13 PM
Just another comment here. The ridicule will typically begin with the very experienced riders and racers and snowball from there.

It aint the arrows, it's the Indian. The ridicule always fires up in full form when there's a large group on one of the tougher training days of the week. Some out of shape, obvious rookie will roll up in a brand new postie suit, right down to the socks and postie Tayos or world champ type skin suit on his new 5900 Team rig or Y-Foil or something. During rides, this sorta thing ALWAYS leads to a full bore *let's see what ya got* sprint or two after 30 mins of non-stop climbing. The new guy will not receive what I'd consider to be a warm and fuzzy welcome when he rolls up to the after ride coffee and coversation joint by himself while the members are already half done with the espresso.

Most of the very serious racers on my team do so on not so top notch rigs. Most of them do not put a C-40 or Calfee or Serotta into the mess of a 40-60 minute packed and group crash littered crit. The overwhelming majority of raced hard rigs on my team? Dales, CAAD4. (Hey, it's the team frame, logo, custom paint, etc.)

Should that stop you from getting that c-40? Negative. You just might want to know what you're getting into.
and be sure to size by standover height!!!nm
Nov 9, 2001 2:20 PM
nm
PinarelloOOF
Nov 9, 2001 2:38 PM
That's how I got my Pinarello Prince, stand next to the bike, wow that fits. This makes me the Pinarello Expert.
Colnago C40 B-Stay / CT1 B-Stay + Free carbon Crank and WheelsetPrince
Nov 9, 2001 3:10 PM
contact me at - italianbikes@mac.com

I'll supply you a Colnago C40 B-Stay 20002 or CT1 B-Stay 2002 + Free Campagnolo Carbon Crank and a Wheelset of your choice (EURUS-KSYRIUMS SSC SL-NEUTRONS). All bikes come with Campagnolo Record 10 Groupset 2002.

BikeFit Formulas.
You use LeMond's Formula's. They are as follows ;

.67 x Inseam Length (cm) = Seat Tube Length = Bike Size - Center to Top (Colnago measure center of bottom bracket to top of seat tube)

.65 x Inseam Length (cm) = Seat Tube Length = Bike Size - Center to Top

To determine top tube length is a complex trigonometeric formula. For this we would need you TORSO LENGTH AND ARM LENGTH, this will determine your TOP TUBE LENGTH and STEM LENGTH.

Shoulder width determines handlebar width.

contact me
Colnago C40 B-Stay / CT1 B-Stay + Free carbon Crank and WheelsetPrince
Nov 9, 2001 3:12 PM
contact me at - italianbikes@mac.com

I'll supply you a Colnago C40 B-Stay 20002 or CT1 B-Stay 2002 + Free Campagnolo Carbon Crank and a Wheelset of your choice (EURUS-KSYRIUMS SSC SL-NEUTRONS). All bikes come with Campagnolo Record 10 Groupset 2002.

BikeFit Formulas.
You use LeMond's Formula's. They are as follows ;

.67 x Inseam Length (cm) = Seat Tube Length = Bike Size - Center to Top (Colnago measure center of bottom bracket to top of seat tube)

.65 x Inseam Length (cm) = Seat Tube Length = Bike Size - Center to Center

To determine top tube length is a complex trigonometeric formula. For this we would need you TORSO LENGTH AND ARM LENGTH, this will determine your TOP TUBE LENGTH and STEM LENGTH.

Shoulder width determines handlebar width.

contact me
re: Colnago C40 or CT1metonymy3
Nov 9, 2001 5:04 PM
I agree with what some people have said. I don't recommend buying a $4000 bike to learn on. I think that's a little much for someone that's not very serious about racing, and especially too much bike for someone to learn bike fit frame preferences on. For example, if you test ride a, say, Specialized S works M4 and a Trek 5900 and a Pinarello Prince, could you come back and say, "Yeah, the Pinarello had a lot of bottom bracket flex during sprinting, and the Trek was too stable and didn't handle well. I like how the Specialized is very stiff in the rear triangle, but the fork seems to be too flexy..." Could you give a complete recap like this about your Pinarello?

I think this is too much bike, but that's just me. If you've got money to burn, and it really doesn't make a dime's worth of a difference to you if $3000 just disappeared today because, hey! Next Friday's paycheck will bring $20,000 more, so what's a little 3k here and there, then, good. Also be forewarned that even if you get this bike, and the cost is not a problem, you still have to deal with the poser image until you hit Cat 1 and turn pro (which could be a while). If you're prepared to deal with all of this, then, by all means, go for it, buy that thing. Just not at all what I would do.

And about sizing: It's hard. You have to find a full geometry chart for every bike you're considering, take measurements of yourself, and talk with your LBS. If you're 100% new to this, then get 2nd and 3rd opinions from other LBS's. Just don't use that Lemond method thingy, it's really oversimplified.

Hope this helps.

Chris
advice for youCT1
Nov 10, 2001 1:00 PM
Try the velonews web site. There are experienced C40 and CT1 owners over there.

It's hard to go wrong with either frame actually. Make sure you get sized properly though. Note: Colnagos don't fit real well for tall people. I think Ernesto has worked with tiny underfed Italians for too long and doesn't know how to design a bike for tall people.

YMMV
JohnG
Ignore the potshots ...tarwheel
Nov 11, 2001 7:47 PM
If you want a Colnago, get a Colnago. Instead of trying to calculate the frame size with all these formulas, do yourself a favor and spend $50-100 for a full bike fitting by a Serotta dealer or something equivalent. You may find out that the Colnago geometry is just not right for you, or it may be perfect. Either way, they can tell you what size frame to get, stem length, etc. It's the best money you will ever spend on a bike. After it's all said and done, you may also decide to buy another brand of bike that fits you better. Or you may end up with a Colnago that fits just right.
re: Colnago C40 or CT1Dog
Nov 12, 2001 6:43 AM
I'd get the C-40. I have one. It is extremely stiff in the bb, and dampens vibration about as well as a rigid bike can. The Ti bike might resonate a bit more.

Screw everyone who says, in effect, you have to "earn" a bike. It's just a damn bike for cryin' out loud (a bunch of tubes and some paint). Get whatever the heck you want. I've never heard anything negative about mine - it's always "nice bike." Some morons might chastise someone on the internet for it, but I'd dare say those cowards never in a million years would do so face to face.

Enjoy whatever you get. That's what it's about.

Doug
re: Colnago C40 or CT1kyroadie
Nov 12, 2001 8:05 AM
Buy what you want. People who trash a newbe or anyone else for what they ride are idiots or just jealous or both. In my 25plus years of road riding and racing I firmly believe that Italian bikes are over rated. Italians would still be making 25 pound steel monsters if it was not for the innovation of US bike companies pushing them to change. With that being said, if you want a Colnago get one. Keep in mind that some of the Italian companies still do not do their own Carbon or Ti work. Some of the Italian ti bikes are still made right here in the good ole USA.