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The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?(39 posts)

The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?Kristin
Nov 9, 2001 7:42 AM
Okay, know that some of you have no sweat tooth and actually think soy products are delicious. But for the other 99% of us, perhaps we can learn from each other. Personally, I have a hard time saying no to sweats. So what are some of the tricks you've learned to keep that sweet tooth under control?

* When tempted to purchase a soda, I ask myself first, "Do I really want a soda?" 90% of the time, the think, "No, I'd rather have water." The other 10% of the time, I treat myself to half a small cup of the sugary liquid.

* It is a misconception that you must fill a pop glass full! Think of it this way. You are throwing away $.50 but saving 100 calories!

* Someone else said this one, but I whole heartedly agree. Have a little chocolate every day.

* Purchasing candy. If you have ever tried and failed to save part of a candy bar for later, then you need this rule. "NEVER BUY A WHOLE CANDY BAR" Head for the grocery store "candy bins" and I get one tiny peice of your favorite candy. Ignore the cashiers strange glance.
re: The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?morey
Nov 9, 2001 7:49 AM
I just look at the people all around me, this is incentive enough for me!
Move to Californiamr_spin
Nov 9, 2001 7:50 AM
I also have a sweet tooth. I have no self control around chocolate, especially. I can eat a whole pound of M&Ms in one sitting, with absolutely no guilt.

So what saves me?

Simple. The weather is still great out here, so I ride it all off. At Thanksgiving I go down to Los Angeles to visit mom and dad, and get to ride in 70-80 degree temps. I bring my road and MTB bikes and ride some fresh trails for a change. At Christmas, the San Francisco Bay Area has generally good weather, although it can get a little chilly.

Snow and cold is fun to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there! I don't know how you guys do it!
Got that right!!!!cioccman
Nov 9, 2001 9:57 AM
I live in it and it would take a minor miracle to get me out. I ride, golf, etc. year around. I believe last Xmas day it was about 80 down here. I was playing football with the family. I have never even owned a lightweight jacket to ride in until this very year. I've yet to wear it!

The most legendary day in my memory is one where I drove about an hour to go snow skiing around 6am. I cruised the slopes for half a day and came home. By 2pm I was out on the golf course smacking the little white ball while wearing shorts and a shirt in upper 70s weather.

I haven't even mentioned Manhattan Beach in the summer.

What a place.....
Sign me up!Kristin
Nov 9, 2001 10:11 AM
Actually, I've really been thinking about moving. I do hate the winter. I should be in warmer parts. I think I would miss the white Christmas', but hey, that'll pass... when I'm out riding on Christmas morning in shorts.

Is there a place in California that is near the mountains and the ocean, has a sufficient number of trees and historic cape cod homes, where I can command a decent salary, yet isn't snarled with traffic? Asking too much?
Here's a place for you.Starliner
Nov 9, 2001 10:21 AM
Mendocino, a historic little town on the coast a few hours north of SF should fit the bill. You could make good bucks there as a marijuana farmer.
Not asking too much at allcioccman
Nov 9, 2001 10:36 AM
There are plenty of places down here just like what you're looking for. I'd venture to guess that SoCal salaries are top notch in comparison to anywhere. Santa Monica is very hard to beat.

Traffic? There is traffic everywhere. I've been all over this U.S. and seen bad traffic all over the place. I've seen just as bad or worse in Chicago, Dallas, NoCal, etc.
Did Someone say MANHATTAN BEACH?!BigLeadOutGuy
Nov 10, 2001 3:13 PM
OH man, after moving to NYC from manhattan beach...there is nothing that keeps me from getting fat in the winter....its just too damn cold to be out there on a bike in the middle of now my pattern is to gain about 50 pounds in the winter and than work all spring to midsummer to get back to form again....ugh
how much do I miss home?!
Did Someone say MANHATTAN BEACH?!mickey-mac
Nov 10, 2001 5:12 PM
How long ago did you leave? When you were in CA did you do the weekday morning rides that left from the MH pier and went down into the Marina?
the ride before the food feast saves me from myselfTig
Nov 9, 2001 10:39 AM
I like to ride Thanksgiving morning to make the best use of so much delicious food. Coming home with an empty stomach and a post-ride glycogen depleted look in my eye works wonders. Call it "Super Carbo/Fat/Protein Loading"! A ride on the following Friday, Saturday, and Sunday complete the regime.

I'm with you about the snow. I'm glad I can ride all year long without it.
re: The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?morey
Nov 9, 2001 8:01 AM
Nearing 60 frightens me. I never thought I would be 60. That is some motivation to stay in shape. Also, looking at 20+yo's that are terribly out of shape, in much worst shape than me, keeps me on my toes. Exercise helps toooooo!
In the buffet line???4bykn
Nov 9, 2001 8:05 AM
Consider that the average buffet is a breeding ground for many different bacteria. Not a pleasant thought, but it keeps me from going back a third time!

Is a sweat tooth the same as a sweet tooth? :o)
re: No hope heredzrider
Nov 9, 2001 8:08 AM
I'm content to make it from TGiving to New Years without overeating more than once each day. There's more temptation than I can handle and if I make it without snacking or devoting entire days to eating I'll be a happy man.

The best chance I have is the planned indulgence method. I figure out before events what my indulgence will be. Anticipating the pleasure of a specific item makes it more satisfying and easier to resist the many other pleasures that call me. One meal might be pie, another stuffing, appetizers, or perhaps beer. I also like to plan a few long runs or rides for the days off. Kind of like bulimic exercising.
LOL - thats pretty good! It reminds me...Kristin
Nov 9, 2001 8:18 AM
...of another trick I deploy. Remember the worst time you ever gorged yourself? keep that image in your mind. Remember how sick you felt? I actively try to recall how un-fun it was to be ill after over eating. This helps me to not stock my plate full at the Thanksgiving table.

I like your method too DZ...if I only want stuffing, then why not just stuffing? It would probably induce strange gazes though.
Strange gazes -dzrider
Nov 9, 2001 10:03 AM
Imagine the inhibiting effect on our appetites of wearing lycra for meals!
re: The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?morey
Nov 9, 2001 8:13 AM
I have a friend that believes you can absorb just so many calories at a time, therefore he will eat a whole pie, or a whole bag of potato chips. It seems to have worked for him.
He also exercises a lot.
LOL - now is that scientifically sound? (nm)Kristin
Nov 9, 2001 8:19 AM
LOL - now is that scientifically sound? (nm)morey
Nov 9, 2001 8:24 AM
Yes and No! Actually, you will absorb just so much at a time. This is if your digestive system is absolutely perfect. Most are not. However, in the main it is stupid and unscientific.
Yes, it isfishwheel
Nov 9, 2001 10:16 AM
Most biological processes are not linear. So it depends on the shape of the curve. For fish feeding rates are set at a level to maximize the conversion from feed calories to fish calories. If you feed them too much they.. uh..defecate high calorie waste. I assume it would be similar for humans. Our bodies can only physically process the food so fast, so more of what we could actually use in our bodies is evacuated with our physical waste when we surpass a certain rate of intake.

On the other hand the curve could be shaped differently, and the more you eat the more efficiently your body converts food to body matter and fat stores. I would think the first curve is more likely knowing what I do about digestive mechanisms.

That said eating one huge meal a day is probably not a good plan, Mammals bodies react to how and what they eat by processing available energy differently. For example, if you fast you will probably break down more muscle than you would if you reduced your calorie intake for a longer period of time.
Yes, it ismorey
Nov 9, 2001 10:18 AM
Physiologically we should clear a meal in 23-32 hours. However, what spoils this is the fact that many in our refined food society have clearing rates of up to 3 weeks.
I am in real troublePaulCL
Nov 9, 2001 8:14 AM
I just ordered 15 2lb chocolate bars from Hershey's! Yes, yes, they are ostensibly for my good clients as holiday gifts....but maybe I only have to send out 14 of them....

Seriously, I've gotten really bad in the last month. I was injured for two weeks, then my bike was down with a 'mechanical' for a week. So what did I do?? Well I ate big lunches, lousy foods, and second servings. I have gained about 5lbs this month.

Bad, bad. From now on (and this is my answer to your post): no more fast food, no second helpings, more water, and cut down on the carbo's. Weather and body and mechanicals permitting...more time on the bike.
I am in real troublemorey
Nov 9, 2001 8:25 AM
It seems I have heard that refrain before, maybe from me!!!!
Topic Stray: What is it about excercise that makes you eat lessKristin
Nov 9, 2001 8:26 AM
Sorry for replying too much to my post... I know, its rude. But this is important. When excercising regularly in the summer, I have no problems rejecting big portions, throwing away unfinished food and sticking to the veggie tray. But whenever I stop excercising I go back to grazing like a pregnant sow. If I stay at this rate, I'll regain those 20 lbs by January and hit a new record by March!

What causes sedentary people to over eat? Psychology? Brain chemistry? Do lower saratonin levels cause mild depression that brings on a tendancy towards comfort foods? More importantly, can it be controlled?
Nov 9, 2001 8:40 AM
Really. If I had to watch my weight only on weekdays, I'd be as skinny as a rail. Weekends kill me. The food is readily available, I'm not usually so incredibly busy as I am at work, and the food is available (did I say that??). OK, I'll come clean...its' a complete lack of willpower - my wife calls me a nibbler (OK, go ahead with the jokes).

Last January, I started a preseason diet that culminated in me losing 17 pounds (ten of which are back, dammit). For me, dieting was painfully difficult. My recent 5lb addition will come off very quickly.
Because it pains me to be counterproductiveAlex-in-Evanston
Nov 9, 2001 9:16 AM
It's the same thing that helped me quit smoking after college. I started riding a bike seriously after graduation, and I was trying to quit anyway. I'd have a couple of smokes at the bar that would cause me to cough up a wad of lung butter the next day on my ride. It began to seem too ridiculous to maintain, so I just went entirely in one direction.

I think the same applies to pigging out. I knock off big miles and try to stay slim, so a whole pint of Haagen Dazs makes me feel like I've blown two hours worth of work in 10 minutes.

Of course it helps if you need 3600 calories a day just to break even. Lots of wiggle room in 3600 calories.

Nov 9, 2001 10:36 AM
Think about a 3 hour ride. You don't want to eat a real lot in the two hours before the ride. A half hour to change, fill bottles, get the bike ready. When you're done, a half hour to clean up your bike and put all your stuff away and another few minutes to shower and change. That's 6 out of 16 waking hours that are no longer available for the food line. If it makes you tired, you sleep more which is the only time I'm truly safe from my appetite.

Is this why spouses resent riding?
I have just the opposite problemSoftrider
Nov 9, 2001 2:20 PM
The harder I exercise, the more I want to eat. I generally don't gain any weight.

During the winter when things slow down, my eating slows down. I usually end up loosing weight.

I guess that everyone is different.
Some helps for the weak of will...cory
Nov 9, 2001 8:29 AM
I worked off 40 pounds this summer (gaining "only" two pounds a year sounds pretty good, unless you started during the Reagan administration). Then it started getting cold and dark and the holiday candy came out, and...
--Looking at the people around you helps, as somebody else said. There's a ton of fat folks out there--so many that our perceptions of "normal" have changed. The health tables say I could still lose 20 pounds (I'm 6'4", about 220), but people sometimes tell me I'm "too thin." I'm NOT too thin. I'm just thinner than I was, and trying to stay there.
--Think in terms of what you have to do to work off what you eat. A beer or an eclair is worth 20 minutes of exercise sometimes. But a double order of eggs benedict will take you two hours to work off. Is 10 minutes of gorging worth that?
--Don't eat it all.
The first piece of candy is great. The second is pretty good. The 10th barely goes down. So only eat the first two.
--Do eat some of it.
You can't stay on a carrots-and-brown rice diet, so don't try. Eat moderate amounts of things you like.
--Take your lunch.
Keeps you out of the fast food places and away from the buffet line during the holidays.
--Eat breakfast.
Get up 10 minutes early if you have to. Otherwise, you'll be heading for the doughnuts by 10:30.
--Resist the craving for half an hour.
If you don't answer the song of the bacon cheeseburger, the craving disappears in about 20 minutes. Who's going to admit he or she can't be stronger than food for 20 minutes?
Wind sprints after the big meal should do the trick.MB1
Nov 9, 2001 8:42 AM
Actually we make a point of riding or hiking before the big meals. We just don't seem to be able to eat as much as the folks who didn't get some exercise in before eating.

And like I mentioned, if you do overindulge-planned windsprints (or touch football) after a big meal will help keep you from overeating and let you keep some room for the pies afterwards.
or barf....another form of dietPaulCL
Nov 9, 2001 8:48 AM
Being unemployed really helps!! NO BUFFETS!!nigel
Nov 9, 2001 8:58 AM
Though I've done some temp and freelance copyediting work here and there, I'm still without full-time work. Right now, in fact, I'm without anything except unemployment insurance. :( Bad way to be with the holidays and the wife's, sister's, and best friend's birthdays all within a week of each other in early December. (YIKES!!!!)

I'm certain that I'll be able to keep the 20 lbs. I've lost this year off during the holidays, mainly since I have no food baskets (gifts from clients/associates), fudge, candy assortments, brownies, doughnuts, or other holiday goodies to tempt me CONSTANTLY during the workday as I've had in the past. (A good thing, I suppose. I happen to have a HUUUUUGE sweet tooth--I joke that all of my teeth are sweet teeth--and always fill up on junk during this season.)

What the heck, I'm working with what I have to work with, and it may be a good thing this year. I'll probably thank my former employers in the spring for closing up shop this year!!

Everyone: be healthy, health-conscious, safe, and in strong spirits this year. Be glad that our lives haven't changed TOO much yet (with the world events), and hug those close to you a little bit longer. Happy holidays!

re: The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?morey
Nov 9, 2001 9:42 AM
Remember thos - "Diet" is a four letter word
"Eat for Life"
Bike all year + Eat all day = no wait gainfishwheel
Nov 9, 2001 10:03 AM
I have about as big an appetite as anyone I've ever met, and have not yet found a fat rich food that does not tempt me. I used to be fat, and felt guilty and worried about what I ate. Now I just eat, I eat lots of healthy stuff, and then I eat lots of other stuff afterwards. That said, my thoughts on the holidays is that it is a short time to indulge and enjoy. When I put on a wonderful feast, and some twit keeps saying, "I wonder how fattening this is, or I'll just taste that" or ... well you know, it's annoying. I enjoy making and eating good food. During the holidays I slide back into more tradtional cooking methods which rely on richness for flavor. The key to feasting is to remember that these types of meals and treats are okay once in awhile as celebration, but you can't eat like this all the time. I expect to gain a few pounds, but that wiull be taken care of shortly. I burn a lot more calories when I ride with studded tires on my bike.
Bike all year + Eat all day = no wait gainmorey
Nov 9, 2001 10:16 AM
I love to cook, and one thing that helped me particularly during my competing days, was cooking for someone else. I enjoyed watching someone else eat something that I craved.
Jan Ullrich? Buffet? Huh?!peloton
Nov 9, 2001 10:20 AM
Jan says eat up. Think of the huge gears you will be able to crush after getting used to pushing around 25 extra pounds in the early season. The training technique of champions!

Joking of course, Jan is great and he did seem to control his weight very well last year. I think over the holidays though, it is okay to eat a little. Give yourself a little at Thanksgiving or Christmas so you get it out of your system and are less likely to eat the same junk later, just more spread out. Sometime I find that letting yourself go a little can keep you from wanting to do it all the time. Gets it out of your system so to speak. I don't know about you guys. but after Thanksgiving even the thought of pie or gravy makes me a little sick.
re: The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?road rash
Nov 9, 2001 10:21 AM
For the sweet tooth part I only eat sweets if I don't have to pay for it. That usually keeps everything in check. For the rest of the time, I find that your body can get used to eating less and it can also get used to eating alot. If I'm in a cycle of eating alot, I find that if I eat less than what I'm used to, I'll feel hungry. It's not true hunger but it still makes me want to eat. The key, I find, is to eat less. For one or two days you will feel hungry but your body gets used to it. Now, I'm not saying that you should starve yourself and get used to that but don't get used to stuffing yourself like a pig or you'll gain weight. If you're not hungry you won't lose weight.
Does that make sense??? Oh yeah, eat tons of veggies, fruits, whole wheat whatever, nuts, flaxseed oil and a little meat. It works for me....BUT if I go to a buffet I will invariably stuff myself, so I don't go. You CANNOT go to a buffet and not overeat. It's just too hard. Buffet's are evil!!
re: The holidays are upon us! What saves you in the buffet line?Js Haiku Shop
Nov 9, 2001 11:46 AM
agree with most of what Cory said...get on a stairstepper or treadmill that counts calories for the power out by your weight by time, work to around 500 calories (25-30 minutes of running for me), then consider how much time on the treadmill equates to what you're about to eat. now, is that quarter pounder with cheese really worth it? i KNOW for a fact that a soda is NOT. when i quit smoking some 3-4 years back, i also quit sodas. why bother? water is good for you! plus, the exercise incurred by walking to the bathroom twelve times through the workday is enough to take off a pound a month.

on the other hand, it's either all or nothing for me, and that goes for everything. two beers? better have six more. cigarette when drinking? pack and a half a day. nightcap? half liter. easy spin? rip your legs off! sooo...when the "season" ends, it's time to turn to the gym and trainer, and IMPROVE on what you've built this season. lose weight and gain strength, or toe the line and don't back off your fitness level.

disheartening to know that my regular weeknight group ride (easy half, try to drop J-ku half) members turned off three weeks ago and will barely ride between now and april 2002. while they're eating leftover turkey and yams, pumpkin pie with vanilla ice cream, drinking beer and watching football, i'll be counting calories, pushing away from the table, running, riding and lifting weights.

AND! a helpful hint for those aspiring off-season-weightloss-monks whose spouses or S/Os are supportive up-front, but secretly stocking the pantry with oreo cookies, moon pies and honey buns, and the fridge with chocolate milk and rocky road ice cream by the gallon: remove the offending food from its storage place and place it gingerly in the trash.

...and i'll see them in april...
There are diet sodas, taste the same no calories...Bruno S
Nov 10, 2001 4:42 PM
try pepsi one, diet mountain dew and diet dr pepper. they almost taste the same as the real thing and have 0 calories.
There are diet sodas, taste the same no calories...morey
Nov 12, 2001 7:50 AM
But plenty of oh so nice Phosphoric Acid whic rots your teeth, and helps eliminate calcium. Yum-yum!!!