|2.31 lbs. for 48 cm frame - is this racing?||brikachok|
Nov 7, 2001 11:07 AM
I have an offer of 48cm frame, weighing only 2.31 lbs. (1050 g.) for $500. Brand new, free shipment,1 year warranty, handmade in Europe. Mg alloy frame.
Link - http://www.mgbiker.20m.com ;;-_;;::--__::;:_-
Should I buy it? Will it be good for racing?
|What's the frame made of ? ( ; [nm]||Ahimsa|
Nov 7, 2001 12:08 PM
|Gee Whiz! diamonds? magnesium?||davidl|
Nov 7, 2001 12:54 PM
|Don't let it get wet...|
|It can get wet.||vanzutas|
Nov 7, 2001 2:55 PM
|I don't know who started the crap about Magnesium exploding or burning if it gets wet but this is the third time I have seen it. Pure Sodium will explode when droped in water but I am pretty sure Magnesium is perfectly stable in H2O.
|Handmade in "Europe?" Not Exactly||jtolleson|
Nov 7, 2001 1:29 PM
|Their website says that their manufacturing facilities are in Russia and Ukraine. Not exactly notorious for innovative technology, exacting quality, or government required safety standards.
If you want to jump into a crit on a Russian-made mystery bike, I'd love to hear how it goes. But I'd be nervous.
Nov 7, 2001 2:38 PM
|Uh, who got the first man in space? I'll give you the last two points, particularly the last but then again, life's cheaper in the Russia. Just look at the Kursk, cutting edge submarine with the like in weapons. Only problem is that the weapon's are liquid fuel propelled. Great performance, possibly lower cost, but unstable particularly in that environment. But crew safety's not the issue versus maximum efficiency. Keep in mind that many of the Ti parts of the then cutting edge US military aircraft SR-71 Blackbird were made in Russia, by Russians, with Russian technology as the US was not up the curve. |
Hey, I'm not endorsing the bike in this posting by any means but give the Russian's some credit. Some of the most brilliant scientists and computer programmers I've met in the US and now US citizens are from Russia.
|Those weren't "Russian" they were Soviet||jtolleson|
Nov 7, 2001 3:08 PM
|The well funded high-tech Soviet empire collapsed more than a decade ago. I don't think you can compare this bike to Sputnik, sorry.|
|LOLOLOL! Thanks. nm||cioccman|
Nov 7, 2001 3:19 PM
Nov 7, 2001 3:11 PM
|Russian parts on SR-71? That's real cold war intrigue. What is your source of information?|
Nov 8, 2001 1:11 AM
|You can find the information at sites covering Ti for aerospace use as well as the many SR-71 sites. Jtoll** makes a good point that this was under the Soviet regime but there continues to be a steady stream of engineered products coming out of the former Soviet bloc and Eastern Europe.|
Nov 7, 2001 2:57 PM
|One of the main reasons Mg didn't take off as a frame material is that the manufacturing produces some nasty polution and it is dangerous to work with. I wonder if the reason it is made in Russia is because of easier standards on polution and workplace safety.
|Does it glow in the dark ? [nm]||davidl|
Nov 7, 2001 3:17 PM
|looks like an american flag on the downtube. (nm)||vanzutas|
Nov 7, 2001 3:03 PM
Nov 8, 2001 3:36 AM
|it is DIN certified (oterwise you can't sell it in Germany)
As far as I am aware it is the same frame as Lodge Star was selling ~10years ago. Brits were getting them under MG Litech brand name (MTB frames were more popular)
Still 500$ would buy you CAAD frame, maybe a bit heavier but with known quality.
with respect to "Not exactly notorious for innovative technology, exacting quality, or government required safety standards" hmm
Are you aware that majority frames sold under brand names are manufactured in China and labeled in Taiwan?
|Dat's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.||jtolleson|
Nov 8, 2001 11:28 AM
|Are you aware that majority frames sold under brand names are manufactured in China and labeled in Taiwan?
You betcha (though "majority" might be an overstatement... Cannondales, Litespeeds, higher end Treks and Lemonds are all US built), but the engineering underlying many of those brands (such as Trek) still comports with major US and European standards, and the domestic marketing also ensures that there is someone to go after in the event of, say, cataclysmic frame failure.
My statement was neither meant to be bigoted or ignorant. The Russian and Ukraine of today are suffering societies falling behind technologically, safety-wise, etc. since the demise of government-funded technological advance. For me, that's probably enough to shop for bike frames elsewhere, but make your own call.
|bzzz wrong thanks for playing||cyclopathic|
Nov 8, 2001 4:56 PM
|LodgeStar is US designed frame
MGlitech frames are produced on MiG factories (don't tell that it takes more technology to build bike frame then jet fighter)
prejudice and ignorant
with respect to "own call" I wouldn't buy a frame I would have difficulties to warranty doesn't matter if it US or any other place build (pretty much excludes all custom frames and small boutique brands). This also excludes any Trek product, Trek customer service sucks.
|Sorry you felt compelled to devolve into the ad hominem world..||jtolleson|
Nov 11, 2001 9:56 AM
|Exchanges on internet BB sites about esoterica regarding foreign manufacturing are not worth that level of intensity.
Products from former Soviet-bloc countries do not inspire confidence; that's how I feel. You feel differently. Fine!
|re: 2.31 lbs. for 48 cm frame - is this racing?||cioccman|
Nov 7, 2001 2:05 PM
|Talk about some incentive to win your class! If I saw that thing creeping up on me, I'd find plenty of energy to get away, and far in front!
What sort of bb threads? English? Italian? Russian threadless? :)
Nov 7, 2001 3:29 PM
|Pretty hard to determine from here, but none of it matters if the ride sucks. Gotta wonder why it's so cheap if it's in fact any good. Stranger things have happened. Count me among the skeptics.|
|You, a skeptic? ;-) (nm)||mickey-mac|
Nov 7, 2001 3:42 PM
|How can you be skeptical?||C-mond|
Nov 7, 2001 4:02 PM
|the frame is 94% mg and 6% secret additive.......fabulous.
I don't know about you guys but I have always felt that secret additive rides as comfortably as carbon and yet it is as stiff and responsive as Al.
Nov 8, 2001 1:25 PM
|I really prefer "unobtainium" @ 5.91% - I can really feel the difference.....|| |