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Zinn and the art of bike maintenance....(22 posts)

Zinn and the art of bike maintenance....UncleMoe
Nov 5, 2001 4:15 PM
OK, I ride both MTB's and road bikes. I'm sort of tired of paying $$ to have my bike shop do stuff that I should be capable of doing. For those of you that ride both MTB and Road, and do your own maintenance...

If I was going to get one book, should I get the "Zinn Mountain Bike Maintenance" book or the "Zinn Road Bike Maintenance" version.

Which one will have more info that can be transferred to the other?

Should I suck it up and buy both?
a lot of duplicationmr_spin
Nov 5, 2001 4:24 PM
I'm going from memory here, but large portions of the book are the same. The only addition to the mountain bike book is suspension, I think, and it's not much. The only other difference I can think of is shifters and brakes, which are very different on road and MTB bikes. Everything is the same.

I guess I'd say buy the mountain bike one. I doubt you'll be working on your own road bike shifters, and it should mention cantilever brakes, which is what your road bike will have.
a lot of duplicationUncleMoe
Nov 5, 2001 4:31 PM
Thanks. You are right. The stuff I would do is stuff like chain replacement, tune-ups, being able to replace a cassette, wheel maintenance, and I'd need a guide for what tools to use, etc.
say what??Rusty McNasty
Nov 6, 2001 10:22 AM
i"and it should mention cantilever brakes, which is what your road bike will have."

It will? On what planet?? I've seen cyclocross bikes and tourers with cantilevers, but NEVER on a road bike!
My bikes use CALIPER brakes, as do ALL road bikes.
oops, I meant caliper...mr_spin
Nov 6, 2001 10:53 AM
Thank you Mr. Sensitivity
Not all road bikes...TJeanloz
Nov 6, 2001 1:19 PM
It may come as a shock to you Mr. McNasty, but some road bikes do, in fact, wear cantilevers. Bikes designed for road touring (Bianchi San Remo et. al.) usually have cantilevers instead of calipers.

Also, we once had a JC Penney road bike in the shop with hydro DISC brakes. And it wasn't like the owner had slapped on a MTB brake- this came from the factory in the early 1980s like that.
These are Not all road bikes...Rusty McNasty
Nov 7, 2001 6:12 AM
"Bikes designed for road touring" are not ROADBIKES, they are TOURING BIKES.
A JC Penny bike is not a roadbike, it is a pile of crap. Roadbikes don't come with Ashtabula cranks and chicken levers.
I was just thinking the same thing Saturday at the book store...Ahimsa
Nov 5, 2001 6:03 PM
I wanted to pick up a copy of "Zinn" 'cause a friend had mentioned that the wheel building section was good.

Since I have multiple bikes in my stable, I decided to buy both of them, then spend an afternoon zeroxing the sections that are not duplicated and compiling a "master" copy of those sections in a small binder.

Now I just need to return the MTB version and voila!

Yes, it is probably "bad" to do this, but IMHO it also "bad" to publish the same book twice with maybe 20 pages difference. Sheesh. Let's see a "Zinn and the Art of Bicycle Maintenance", eh?

Cheers!

A.
Bad bad bad person...UncleMoe
Nov 5, 2001 9:45 PM
I say more power to ya!

Since you've recently looked at both, what made you decide to keep the road bike version and return the MTB version? What topics were covered in the pages you had to photocopy?

Thanks.
I was just thinking the same thing Saturday at the book store...mickey-mac
Nov 5, 2001 9:56 PM
Regardless of whether you feel justified in your actions, admitting in a public forum that you violated the law is probably not a good idea.
Robert Pirsig replies ...breck
Nov 6, 2001 9:51 AM
But of Course Mr. Zinn sorta' ripped off my title "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" (1974) though the content was on a different level. Damn, that old Honda needed a lot of care :)

The Oak's were not so fortunate in their 1983 "Elvira" with their doo-wop lyrics "Oom Poppa Omm Poppa Mow Mow" , re:
(Giddy Up) Oom Poppa Omm Poppa Mow Mow
(Giddy Up) Oom Poppa Omm Poppa Mow Mow
(Heigh-ho Silver, away)
and had to pay up, as you, an old song meister, would know.

However, the Lone Ranger let 'em off the "hook" with the "Heigh-ho Silver, away" as any good Texan would:) Hay all you carbo fans, check out the new Cheerios Anniversary Box, and damn good thing they let 'em keep the mask for this one :)

Build and maintain both road and mountain bikes and see no real diffs unless you run suspension on the mountain.

cheers mickey-mac,
breck
bgcc
Keith Richardsmickey-mac
Nov 6, 2001 10:50 AM
Old Keef freely admits that everything he has done on the guitar was ripped off from Chuck Berry.
My Sweet Lord, He's so fine...(nm)Me Dot Org
Nov 6, 2001 11:19 AM
You have weired copyright law..Sparky
Nov 6, 2001 10:01 AM
Are you really not allowed to make copies of books you have brought for your own private use?
You have weired copyright law..UncleMoe
Nov 6, 2001 10:18 AM
The point is, he is returning the book so he know longer owns it, yet has photocopied pages. Officially he has violated copyright laws, but give me a break. Does it really bother you.

I'm sure someone is losing major money off of this one. Everyone needs to lighten up. What? Never snuck into a drive-in or a movie theatre. Never made a cassette tape of mixed music for someone else, never burned a CD.

The copyright laws are in place to punish people who copy stuff and use it to make money somehow. Not some dude who copied a few pages so he'd know how to rebuild a wheel.
Bother me?mickey-mac
Nov 6, 2001 10:48 AM
No, it doesn't bother me at all. I'm simply suggesting that the poster may not have exercised good judgment in his post. Suppose Zinn or someone from Velo Press is reading these messages and decides to send a message to copyright violators by prosecuting the poster. Obviously this is unlikely, but it's not impossible.

You suggest that the copyright laws exist to punish those who copy material and profit from the copyright violation. If you think the copyright laws don't apply equally to prevent someone from copying copyrighted material to avoid paying for it, you should read up on the law.
fyi - fair useDog
Nov 6, 2001 10:54 AM
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/

Doug
Bother me?UncleMoe
Nov 6, 2001 11:07 AM
Sorry - the comment wasn't directed at anyone specifically. It was more of a general comment that people would even worry about this.

I fully understand that the copyright law could be applied here, of course I understand that. What I also understand is that only a foolish business operation would press any type of charges against some guy on a road bike review website. Especiall;y considering that there is no way any court would find the information here as any evidence that he actually made the photocopies. You'd need the actually photocopies, and probably a witness who say him press the button.

There is a big difference between this guy and someone else who might take a bunch the book's chapters, reprint them on a website, and charge $3.00 to view the info.

Or perhaps a bike shop that offers a class on bike maintenance, and photocopies pages for the students in the class, even if the class was free.

Even in these examples, the very first step would be to send the offender a cease and desist order.
You have weired copyright law..mr_spin
Nov 6, 2001 10:59 AM
Copyright laws are supposed to ensure the artist gets paid for his or her work. If you copy the book and return it, you get the work and the artist doesn't get paid. It doesn't get any simpler. And it doesn't matter what your motivation is. It's stealing, like it or not.
Chill...UncleMoe
Nov 6, 2001 11:12 AM
I understand the copyright laws, believe me. What I don't understand is your paranoia that someone is going to come after a person on the list that admitted to making some photocopies.
Sorry Mr. Spin...UncleMoe
Nov 6, 2001 11:24 AM
I just realized it was you who posted that. I thought it was the person who was kinda getting it on with me.

No offense intended. My apologies.
whatta cheapskate!Adopesa
Nov 6, 2001 10:09 AM
why not just copy the entire books and return both???