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late november riding in/around salt lake city, utah?(15 posts)

late november riding in/around salt lake city, utah?Js Haiku Shop
Nov 5, 2001 12:09 PM
i'll have a rental car!

will need to rent a bike.

road or mtb, i don't care.

suggestions, anyone?
Moab!mr_spin
Nov 5, 2001 2:07 PM
There are only two times of the year to go to Moab when it's not too hot or too cold. One is Spring, the other is Fall. Go now! I've been in October twice. It's not crowded, and prices are lower. You might get some weather, but that just makes for more spectacular sunsets!

It should only be a few hours drive from SLC.
i wish i wish i wish, but it's a 230 mile drive from SLC...Nearly 30 HaiKurate
Nov 5, 2001 2:44 PM
wifey wouldn't appreciate it very much, and the little one sure would not be happy about sitting in a carseat after a plane ride. ugh!

one of these years (!) i hope to vacation in utah and colorado and do bryce, zion, canyonlands, etc.--the etc. includes moab.
well, POOP ON SALT LAKE CITY!!! i've since discovered...Nearly 30 HaiKurate
Nov 5, 2001 2:46 PM
that they've got snow on the ground and the cycling season is "over" (at least for rentals). called several shops. grrrrr!!! now my choices are most limited: snow stuff and micro brew.
microbrew?mr_spin
Nov 5, 2001 3:23 PM
You're better off drinking Bud! State law restricts the alcohol content so all you get are weak substitutes. Last time I was in Moab, a buddy and I quickly polished off a pitcher without even a buzz. So we got another one. Still no buzz. At that point we realized it was just wasted calories! You'll pay $10 for a decent six pack at the state liquor store. Such a beautiful state--such stupid laws.
Not somickey-mac
Nov 5, 2001 3:33 PM
You'll find a decent number of microbreweries with fairly high-octane brew in SLC and Park City. Beer can be purchased at supermarkets and convenience stores for reasonable prices. I believe hard alcohol is still restricted to state stores, but the prices really aren't that bad. Things are changing in Utah. A federal court recently struck down Utah laws restricting alcohol advertising. Included in an invalidated law was a provision that prohibited servers in restaurants from asking customers whether they want drinks.
outstanding!mr_spin
Nov 5, 2001 3:44 PM
I haven't been there since 1995 or 1996, so I may be a little out of date on the legal scene. My last experience there were these old ladies in the liquor store who monitored who bought stuff. You could only do one visit per day because they wouldn't sell to you, and they would only sell you so much. It was insanity. Luckily I had four buddies, so we managed to get our fill.

Here's a secret for any wine lovers out there. The state liquor stores carry wine but they have no idea what it is worth. You'll find wine there that no longer exists for a fraction of it's value. I bought some 94 Jordan and 94 Silver Oak cabs for almost nothing! I would have bought more if I could carry it.
Funny about the winemickey-mac
Nov 5, 2001 3:52 PM
I noticed the same thing the last time I was in a UT state store. I was planning on picking up an inexpensive bottle of red wine. Much to my delight, "inexpensive" included Silver Oak. It was going for about the same price as a bottle of Turning Leaf Cabernet.
microbrew my @$$!Rusty McNasty
Nov 6, 2001 10:33 AM
Utah only allows 3.2 beer to be sold outside of liquor stores. Anything harder, and you have to BRING IT TO THE BAR YOURSELF! No $h!t! You bring your own hooch to the bar, and they sell you mixers for $2/glass!! What a state!!
NAME CHANGE???NM
Nov 6, 2001 6:43 AM
NM
occasionally. jes keepin it real, yo. nmNearly 30 HaiKurate
Nov 6, 2001 10:54 AM
re: late november riding in/around salt lake city, utah?mickey-mac
Nov 5, 2001 3:13 PM
The mountain biking in the Park City area is a lot of fun. However, late November might be a bit late. I rode there in late September one year and ended up in a pretty good snowstorm. I did Cottonwood Canyon from the base of Deer Park and also did a fun single-track trail called Sweeney's Switchbacks. It's been a few years so I don't remember all the rides I did. If you get to PC, check with the people at Cole Sport. They should be able to give you directions to some good mtn biking. I have no idea what the road riding is like in SLC. Believe it or not, you can get some good sushi at Mikado, which is (or was) a stone's throw from the Mormon Tabernacle. There's also a pretty good brewpub in SLC. Have fun.
A reply from a resident of Utah...Brooks
Nov 5, 2001 4:52 PM
After reading the previous responses, I got the feeling that none of them are residents. Welcome to the land of Zion (a little inside joke, no offense to our LDS brethren). First of all, weather in late November can be sketchy. Moab can be great, but then I've had snow there on Thanksgiving (great photos with white snow and red rock). Here in Park City, it is currently raining but it can get cold quickly with snow down into SLC. We normally have the World Cup ski races here Thanksgiving weekend, but not this year with preparations for the Olympics. That said, mtb trails are generally off-limits due to mud/snow and potential damage to trails. This is self-enforced but conditions from now on are going to get worse. Come during the summer, it is great! The urban area of SLC is not particularly bike-friendly. However, there are lots of road rides that are scenic and can bust you if that's what you want. Things around here can be very flat to "where's my bungee cord to pull me up?" Recommended rides: Antelope Island (both road and mtb): out in the Great Salt Lake with a nice view of the Wasatch Front. Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons (just south of SLC proper): short, about 10 miles one way each canyon and steep leading up to various ski resorts. If the resorts are open, you do not want to be sharing the road with skiers/boarders. Alpine Loop (near Provo) from American Fork to Sundance: scenic, also quite a climb, a scream down the Provo canyon on a wide road w/shoulder. The "back valleys" here in Park City, Coalville, Kamas, and Heber areas have a nice, low traffic roads without much hills. From Kamas, the Mirror Lake highway goes up into the Uintah mountains as does the Snake Creek Pass road.

Check with Bonneville Bicycle Touring Club www.bbtc.net for other information. Here in Park City, Cole Sports and Jan's rent bikes but they are understandably gearing up for ski season. Also try Guthrie Bicycles in SLC. I'm sure we can find you a bike to ride. If the weather is ok, and I'm available, I'm always happy to share the road with fellow cyclists. I can be reached at brooks@parkcity2002.com

BTW, the drinking laws, while still strange are nowhere near as archaic as they used to be. Still 3.2 beer in grocery stores. Full test beer, wine and hard liquor are only available for purchase in state liquor stores. One of the Park City stores has one of the best selections of wine in the state.

Watch out for the missionaries! ;-)
Brooks
Just got back from Moab RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!Leisure
Nov 6, 2001 6:35 AM
It's about 4 hours from SLC and right now (11/6) the leaves are perfect. Busier than I expected, though. I got to do Porcupine Rim and if you're a decent mtb'er I'd thoroughly recommend it. The price for falling is high for most of Moab's trails so I'd suggest going with someone familiar and responsibly informative if you want to do something more "advanced". For example, there's supposed to be an area on one of the more difficult trails which is so easy to ride everyone takes it for granted, however if you slip there's a very good chance you'll fall off a cliff and die. Peace of mind. Everybody goes on about mountainbiking there, but the whole area/town is pretty scenic and bike-friendly so don't hestitate to go roading.
Regarding mtb'ing in SLC (no snow for the moment) I suggest:
1. Muehhler Park in Bountiful. Take the 2600 South exit off I-15, cross over to 1800 South, turn right (east) keep going and you'll hit it. It's sweeping scenic singletrack with a consistently mild grade so you can choose whatever speed/workout you want, and you can turn around either 3.5 or 7 miles up. You can expect to enjoy it no matter your ability provided you be weary around some turns and/or go in the morning to avoid crowds. It's pretty popular.
2. All over Millcreek Canyon. Swinging around I-215 on the East side of the Salt Lake valley, get off at 3900 South, cross over one block to 3800 South, go up the Canyon remembering to pick up an archaic map from the station at the bottom. The lower half of Pipeline (6mi. each way) is flat, the upper half (3mi.)has some steepness with some fun switchbacks followed by rolling uphills which eventually level off for a bit. You rejoin the road at the end and can go up Mt.Aire which is more difficult, or on even days ride about 4mi. to the top of the canyon and do either Dog Lake (easy, popular, like Muehller but 3mi.) or Little Water (sometimes pretty difficult, my favorite in the area, about 6.5mi.). These last two may be closed to motor vehicle access given some recent weather conditions. The canyon road in and of itself is a popular road ride as well.
A couple other good, easily-accessed road rides: Big Cottonwood and Little Cottonwood canyons, and Immigration Canyon. Riding in SLC itself is touch-and-go; the drivers here are hardly commendable, and there are significant disparities between different suburbs. I'd stick closer to the north to east parts of the valley for the most part.
E-mails welcome or inquire further if you had some specific type of riding in mind. I'm kind of giving the easily-found-therefore-popular-even-crowded-sometimes trails; you know how that can be.
your e-mail address?Nearly 30 HaiKurate
Nov 6, 2001 11:05 AM
you can use my new one: cat5tattoo@yahoo.com

thanks.