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Doug, How's the running(9 posts)

Doug, How's the runningkyvdh
Nov 5, 2001 10:16 AM
Awhile back you posted about your painful (near death) running experience. How is it going? I too started running about 3 weeks ago, twice per week. The first week my thighs killed me but it has been fun to see the improvement over a short period of time. Started at 9 minute miles for three miles, last week I got 8 minute miles for the same three miles. Though I don't have any concrete evidence of cycling improvement, I feel like it has made me stronger. Maybe I'll do the 3 mile TT again and see if I'm any faster. Just curious.
Nov 5, 2001 10:48 AM
Still hurts. I'm finding that the cycling muscles are quite a bit different, though, and pain from running doesn't necessarily hurt the riding. Never would have thunk it.

I may ditch the running when the track bike arrives, though. As the coach said, "just remember you are training to ride your bike."

it's helping my capacity for suffering. consider that. nmJs Haiku Shop
Nov 5, 2001 11:06 AM
Nov 5, 2001 1:21 PM
I find running helps with my endurance(or is it just the ability to deal with pain and monotony). Running also helps with overall leg strength and especially with short bursts of power(this is more obvious when I mountain bike than on the road). Keep it up and remember that it is a means to an end. For me, running is a necessity in the winter months(dark when I get home for work). I can only take so much on the trainer.
Nov 5, 2001 4:16 PM
Dog, i can understand if you want to ditch the running and i have always been told by many that it does nothing for their cycling, but i think most people are only thinking about their legs on a same day experience. My experience after spending my first off season running many miles was that aerobically i got very good gains and it was most noticeable in climbing. I rode the fixed and ran the whole winter. My two cents because i think there is gain there. Best wishes on your training.
hang in there,lonefrontranger
Nov 5, 2001 9:12 PM
I know this sounds funny coming from another running-hating cyclist, but it really does help to stay with it. You'll find that if you stick to a 3-day a week schedule, it gets easier. Trust me.

I ran XC in high school, and that's where I got hooked on cycling. I ran in horrendous shoes, and as a result, I succumbed to equally horrendous knee and shin pain. The coach made us cross-train on the bike, one thing led to another, and here I am, a thirtysomething bike racer.

Fast forward to three or four years ago, when I was looking to improve at cyclocross. I started running again, and I absolutely hated it. I'm never so achy, hot, tired, disgusted and discouraged as that first day back at it.

But after the first 2-3 weeks, things really improve. I never became a good, or even remotely mediocre runner. But after 3 weeks' training, I can cruise a 5k without pain (slowly), and there are several benefits which make me use this as my primary off-season training.

The first is the endurance and aerobic benefits. My fitness on the bike is much greater when I return to base mileage phase. The next is greatly improved heat tolerance, something I always struggled with.

The last, and most important benefit is that I discovered I emerge from the January doldrums without the dreaded "holiday ten" - pounds, that is. As someone who fights the perpetual battle of the bulge, I cannot stress how important that is. I don't actually *lose* weight by running, but the key is I don't gain, either.

Good luck!
re: Doug, How's the runningzero1
Nov 5, 2001 10:50 AM
one thought...For me cycling helps my running but running does not help my cycling...however wierd that may sound...and i have been doing this since 1983....the way i started running many many years ago i would run out 5 minutes and then back 5 minutes and just would increase it that way...and believe it or not 18 yrs later i still run by my watch and not by distance..good luck... ride safe, gary
Same here...Spinchick
Nov 5, 2001 11:08 AM
I absolutely SUCK at running. No bones about it. But after riding seriously for only 6 weeks, I found myself able to run farther and faster. Not that this is a terribly impressive feat - I went from three to four 11 minute, lung blasting, thigh killing miles to five 10 minute fairly easy miles. Still can't really manage to increase the running miles enough to gain much cardiovascular advantage.
you're not giving it enough timeET
Nov 5, 2001 11:53 AM
Unlike most on this board, who make it sound like running is a burden, I was highly motivated to run when I started running. The first four months I was stuck at three 10-minute miles. Several months later, it became five 10-minute miles. Then things just started clicking: I began to lose a lot of weight, I began to get better. A couple of years later, my daily training runs were at sub-8 pace. Then some track work, the long run, some dieting, etc., and all my times came way way down and before long I was getting nice PRs in everything from the mile to the 10-mile. I started taking some age-group medals in road races. It just wasn't bad for an ungifted, unocoordinated Jewish guy like me. People were telling me I looked emaciated (I took that as a great compliment). While I started to run in order to lose weight, I had evolved into wanting to lose more weight in order to run better.

What I'm trying to say is, if one takes an I'm-a-cyclist-and-I-hate-running attitude, that will lead to nowhere. If you're highly motivated, decide in your mind you really want to do this, and are willing to have some patience--becasue it takes a little time to kick in--you really will excel. (Of course, there is increased risk of injury, but so there is for many sports; smart training helps.) And for most, it will probably help their cycling too.