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I don't get it (pump rant)(29 posts)

I don't get it (pump rant)MikeC
Oct 31, 2001 1:04 PM
I've just done yet another group ride where my frame pump got used three times by members who were either without any pump or carried a minipump or CO2. My record is nine times during a century.
Nobody accused me of being uncool for having a Zefal hpX under my top tube. Nobody wanted to debate whether minipumps or CO2 are the way to go. They were just grateful because I let them use my pump.
So we've just discussed frame weight yet again on this Board, and I'm pretty convinced that the 9oz my pump weighs isn't what's gonna get me dropped. And nobody's come up to me so far and said "Gee, that's a beautiful Odonata. Too bad it seems to have two top tubes!" So when I want to gaze lovingly at my bike, I take the pump and the blowout bag off. When I want to ride, I put them on.
Even though I look better without a helmet, I wear one because it's smart. I just don't get why so many people won't carry a real pump (non-traditional frames excepted), because that's smart, too.
Thank you. I feel much better now.
I'm with you, brothermickey-mac
Oct 31, 2001 1:06 PM
It must be a Mike thing.

mike mcmahon
eat some carbs, you'll feel betterDog
Oct 31, 2001 1:08 PM
I get all irritable, too, when my blood sugar is low. :-)

What's your thesis? Everyone should carry frame pumps? No one should get flats? You don't enjoy being a Good Samaritan?

Don't help them. That's the only way they'll learn. Tough love.

Doug :-)
Zefal HPXTJeanloz
Oct 31, 2001 1:22 PM
It is on my list of greatest cycling products ever made.

A lot of people make the amatuer mistake of buying another pump to carry with them, or worse, a frame (Trek OCLV) that can't handle an HPX. And once you own a pump, or a frame, it's hard to decide to buy another pump- because the one you have seems to be doing its job (which is providing you with piece of mind).

Zefal needs to make that pump a little more sexy- who would pay $150 for one if it had a carbon fiber barrel and a titanium handle? I'd be in line in a second.
yupDog
Oct 31, 2001 1:39 PM
I got one, but it won't go on my Colnago. The cable stops are sort of in the way, and no peg. Won't stay on. I guess I could duct tape it to the top tube.

Stays on beautifully on my 1980 Bianchi (which came with the Celeste Silca that fit perfectly - long gone).

I envy the guys on the 62cm frame that can accomodate a frame pump next to the left seat stay. Now that's cool.

Doug
Frame pump accomodationMel Erickson
Nov 1, 2001 9:25 AM
This little gizmo should allow a frame pump to fit on most bikes. http://www.performancebike.com/shop/cboProfile.html?SKU=3023
That's what I doSteve Davis
Nov 1, 2001 10:44 AM
I'm on a 60cm frame and put my Blackburn frame pump along the left seat stay. I don't know why more people don't use this technique. Even on smaller bikes, I would think you could fit the pump there as Zefal and Blackburn make different sizes, don't they?
yupbarnaby
Nov 1, 2001 12:13 PM
As you already mentioned, putting the frame pump down the seatstay is the way to go. You use the rear wheel QR lever for the handle end of the pump. You don't need to have a 62cm frame for this, just get a smaller Zefal. Personally, have a compact frame and use a size two Zefal. Obviously doesn't give you the leverage of a size 4 or 5, but it still gets borrowed everytime by those deadbeats too lazy or vain to carry a real pump. Still gets you to that 100ish psi inflation. Just be careful with the QR lever marking your chain stay from the pressure from the pump as it squeezes into the frame.
Not sure, but might even be able to make it work on the OCLV or weird-shaped carbon frames.
dittopaulj.
Oct 31, 2001 11:52 PM
Yes this pump is awesome for performance. At half the weight it would be ready for the space shuttle. I too will pay. When I was young I had more time than money. Now I have more money than time$$$$.... I hope Zefal is listening....
Blackburn, Zefal, SilcaRay Sachs
Nov 1, 2001 5:47 AM
The Zefal HPX seems to have quite a mystique associated with it. I've used the HPX, the Blackburn, and the Silca frame pumps. The Silca is somewhat prone to explosions and isn't real reliable, but I haven't found any real functional difference between the HPX and the Blackburn. The Zefal is a bit more classic looking and the Blackburn a bit higher tech looking. The Blackburn is less likely to scratch a nice paint job if you hold it in place with a velcro strap - the hpx has a little ridge that'll wear right through your paint if you don't put a couple of layers of tape in there.

Why do all shop guys love the Zefal so much?

-Ray
Why we love Zefal...TJeanloz
Nov 1, 2001 7:37 AM
Why the Zefal HPX is on shop employees' top ten list:

1. It works.

2. There are no gimmicks that will break (pressure gauges, smart heads...)

3. When it stops working more 10 years from the time it was purchased, it is fully rebuildable and none of the parts have changed.

Shop employees, and others, have great respect for products that can remain at the top of the performance heap without ever changing- they are as close to perfect as it gets. Not many products make that cut- King Headsets, Velox tape, Cinelli cork...
you're only seeing half of itmr_spin
Oct 31, 2001 1:27 PM
The key sentence in your post says "They were just grateful because I let them use my pump." Well, of course! No one is going to insult you if they need your pump!

How they feel about your pump is totally irrelevant when they need one! Besides, few people hold such distaste for pumps that they will actually express their views out loud. And they most likely have other issues that have nothing to do with pumps.

I was thinking that for what an Ondonata costs, Seven should include a custom-made titanium/carbon pump! :) (I'm just jealous)
How 'bout a pump that fits in seatpost/tube...Jack S
Oct 31, 2001 1:46 PM
QR on the post and voila- ready to go in a flash. Never have to see it and if some ingrate flats you can say you don't have a pump as you ride away.
Not my experienceDCP
Oct 31, 2001 1:36 PM
I have had the opposite experience. I also have a hpX, but when I flat I usually have to explain to others (several times) that I would rather pump the tire rather than use one of the numerous CO2 cartridges I am offered.
re: feel smug, not angry. it's more fun. nmdzrider
Oct 31, 2001 1:44 PM
I borrowed a pump once.vanzutas
Oct 31, 2001 2:11 PM
I was mountain biking and I didn't have a pump and I was with big group.

I got a flat, I found it a pain in the ass to ask for help. so the next day I went out and bought one.

I have always carried a pump on my road bike (hpx, doubleshot).
Is my frame pump suppose to take 10min to inflate?Empirion75
Oct 31, 2001 3:06 PM
I own a SKS frame pump. Used once. It took forever to get the tire to a descent PSI so that I could ride it to a store and borrow their floor pump. Is this normal?
Less than 2 minutes to 110 psi...leisurely (nm)MikeC
Oct 31, 2001 4:31 PM
Yeah, but coud I do that??? (nm)Kristin
Nov 1, 2001 9:42 AM
hit the weights!Dog
Nov 1, 2001 11:33 AM
Just kidding.

For a quick, easy inflate, nothing beats a 16 gram CO2 inflator, the thread on type. I carry 2 of them, plus a Blackburn mini-pump in case I run out. Sure, it costs a buck or two for the CO2, but how much is your time and trouble worth? Or, what do you save if you yank the stem off a tube with that manual pump? Then you're hosed.

If you don't get that many flats, I think the C02 if a great option. Might cost you $20 a year, and it sure saves a whole lot of time and trouble.

BTW, if you go that route, try it out at home first. You'll eat the cost of one cartridge, but you'll figure out how to use it right under controlled conditions, rather than standing by some busy highway in the rain with two riding buddies impatiently waiting for you.

Doug
I'm with you on CO2ET
Nov 1, 2001 12:52 PM
I'm not sure what the fuss is here and why (threaded) CO2 is not looked at as a viable and even preferable option. For those cyclists who had to borrow a frame pump despite carrying CO2, it's probably because they carried only one cartridge or never used it before. You just carry around 3 of them and the small connector thingy in your saddle bag or even rear jersey pocket, in case one malfunctions. I mean, if you're gonna be paranoid and claim no number of cartridges is safe, then one also needs an infinite number of spare tubes to ensure use of the beloved frame pump. CO2 cartridges are a convenient new toy for us. Sure, it costs a bit more on a per-cartridge basis, but I don't get that many fla.., er, f-words a year, and $20 or so per year is a small price to pay for such a convenience. Drops a lot of weight over frame pumps too. That's important to everyone here, isn't it?
we get unthreadeds for our Superflateslonefrontranger
Nov 1, 2001 1:34 PM
by the case at K-mart. In the gun section. They cost about $0.25 apiece if you buy that way.

I really like my Superflate. It's fast, portable and handy. It has also saved the day when a frame pump wouldn't work (some nutcase with standard length valves in a Rolf rim) because the small chuck threads off the main assembly, and only requires a couple turns to secure. The CO2 entry rate and amount is also very controllable.

Keep those fingers away from the chuck!
But I want the sickly upper body of a pro-racer!Kristin
Nov 1, 2001 1:55 PM
:-)

I like CO2, however, I bought a peice of garbage pump. Its the unthreaded kind and the tapping mechanism lets most the CO2 escape into the cartridge holder--which then forces its way out and onto your hands. COLD! I'm ordering the one J-Ku suggested at Nashbar. (despite the fact I said I'd never order there again.)
they have team cars following :-) nmDog
Nov 1, 2001 2:01 PM
: - ( Oh................(nm)Kristin
Nov 1, 2001 2:05 PM
You could even same some weightKerry Irons
Oct 31, 2001 5:19 PM
And go with a Silca. Nothing beats a frame pump.
. . . and whack dogs' noses with themjacques
Oct 31, 2001 6:56 PM
The Campy head prongs on a Silca will convince Fido to head back home, every time.
monocoque?metonymy3
Oct 31, 2001 9:27 PM
Can you mount a frame pump on a monocoque carbon frame like, oh, to pick a random example, a 56cm Kestrel 200sci? Mine is currently equipped with a little topeak under the-bottle-cage pump, and it's less than impressive. Tops out at 80 psi if I work hard. And I bend the valve every time.

Do you have to have a pump peg? I certainly don't have that, but is there no way I can get a frame pump to stay on the top tube? Seat tube won't work because I need my bottle there. Thanks.

Chris
re: I don't get it (pump rant)brider
Nov 1, 2001 11:10 AM
I've been using an old Blackburn double-stroke pump (press-on head, no trigger locks) for years on my Softrides -- just use some old inner tube to tie it under the seat on the bottom side of the beam. I don't carry it in races, but I've used it many times on group rides. With the T-handle, it's comfortable to use, goes to 115 psi easily (and higher I'm sure, I just don't have a precision calibrated thumb), and is small enough to fit any frame (about 12" long). I put a section of road tube over the ends to keep dirt out. Hasn't faied me yet.